Hans-Dieter Flick

[serghei]

Everyone can agree the way we have dropped points against the mid table sides is unacceptable

Part of it is the players, part of it is Flick not having the guile to fight these Liga shithouses tactically.

Don't agree on this personally. I think the issue is not today's match, but previous lost points. Today's match is a rarity that happened all the time even in our peak days.

 

[Birdy]

Yup, two if we can manage to do that financially. I assumed we would not.

WE should get some on loan, like we did in 2021/22 with 0 financial margin to move

It is critical to have an RB and a LB who can attack against the shitty LL buses
In the summer, we need serious transfers there

 

[mc_lovin]

I don't think it's shameful to admit that Xavi had a kind of pragmatism and league knowledge that Flick lacks so far. It's pretty obvious. They are different managers. There is a reason Xavi liked more control and more focus on defense. It's easier to beat these sides if you hold the zero on conceded goals.

We were flying under Xavi when the forwards clicked. Same as Flick, Lucho,...

Difference is Xavi got more out of the team when everybody sucked. Anyone can win with Euro form Yamal, reborn Raph, MSN,...

 

[ajnotkeith]

Don't agree on this personally. I think the issue is not today's match, but previous lost points. Today's match is a rarity that happened all the time even in our peak days.

I agree, and I was referring more to the past matches rather than this one, this one was an anomaly.

Yet, it is still true that statistically we're doing way too poorly against the mid table sides, so we have to improve tactically.

 

[fergus90]

And the points?

Xavi: 11 wins, 5 draws 2 defeats. 38 points. 34 goals scored, 21 conceded.
Flick: 12 wins, 2 draws, 4 defeats. 38 points. 50 goals scored, 20 conceded.

 

[ajnotkeith]

We were flying under Xavi when the forwards clicked. Same as Flick, Lucho,...

Difference is Xavi got more out of the team when everybody sucked. Anyone can win with Euro form Yamal, reborn Raph, MSN,...

You don't consider that Raphinha might be 'reborn' because the tactics suit him better.

At the end of the day you have to compare them on paper because its the coaches job to get the most out of the players.

 

[serghei]

I agree, and I was referring more to the past matches rather than this one, this one was an anomaly.

Yet, it is still true that statistically we're doing way too poorly against the mid table sides, so we have to improve tactically.

Past matches that the team lost points in looked completely different than today. In many the team got outplayed for good portions of those matches.

 

[jamrock]

Now some may understand better what me and Messi was saying earlier today.

I bet everyone would trade a few places in the CL for +3 points in the league today.

 

[mc_lovin]

You don't consider that Raphinha might be 'reborn' because the tactics suit him better.

At the end of the day you have to compare them on paper because its the coaches job to get the most out of the players.

Nah, we saw the uptick in Raphas game already under Xavi. Flick is just gettign the credit.

 

[MontenegrinCuler]

We were flying under Xavi when the forwards clicked. Same as Flick, Lucho,...

Difference is Xavi got more out of the team when everybody sucked. Anyone can win with Euro form Yamal, reborn Raph, MSN,...

When tf did our forwards click under Xavi? I remember maybe a few games like that, not more. The main difference here is it happens a lot more under Flick's system. On games when it doesn't though, we are most likely getting fucked.

 

[Skalman]

At least this guarantee a performance of alien level next weekend. Looking forward to it.

 

[jamrock]

Don't agree on this personally. I think the issue is not today's match, but previous lost points. Today's match is a rarity that happened all the time even in our peak days.

Thing is this is like the 3rd time I've read you saying this so far this season.

When something becomes a pattern, it's no longer an exception.

 

[MontenegrinCuler]

At least this guarantee a performance of alien level next weekend. Looking forward to it.

Better be. That game against Atletico will have a massive say in the title race.

 

[mc_lovin]

When tf did our forwards click under Xavi? I remember maybe a few games like that, not more. The main difference here is it happens a lot more under Flick's system. On games when it doesn't though, we are most likely getting fucked.

I remember some insanely good games against Real, Atletico...

But for 99% of Xavi's reign we had an atrocious set of forwards. And an even less experienced Yamal.

 

[jamrock]

Just get it today, I really want the fucking league this year.

Madrid can't be dropping points at this rate and we are freaking matching them.