Hans-Dieter Flick

[Birdy]

Although I still support Flick strongly and fully believe that this is caused by the players. I wonder why many of you have already lost hope in Flick and I wanna know what manager you would bring in. But I noticed Birdy always allows the players excuse for Flick but not Xavi. Although Flick is a way way better manager than Xavi, it's not fair entirely to blame everything that happened last season on Xavi and I say that the players are as accountable. I feel like I've been yapping on this for too long so I'll stop as I asserted my point already.

I would have allowed the same excuse for Xavi, if :

1) he had shown to be a serious coach, trying to instill a proper tactical outfit that is worthy of FC BARCELONA, and not some amateur version of Pep football

2) He had not used the same excuse himself SO MANY FUCKN TIMES to whitewash himself and his own shortcomings

 

[jamrock]

Xavi only had 2 full seasons though, so his worst season is just his second season, hard to tell what that really means.

I think CL deserves to be included in the analysis too, obviously we need to see how that pans out.

2.5 and it doesn't really matter, he's matching Xavi worse season re points per game, and the entire Barca forum wanted to kill him for him, no so real improvement.

Re the CL I just wrote about it in another reply and have wrote about it a few times this past week.

 

[Birdy]

2.5 and it doesn't really matter, he's matching Xavi worse season re points per game, and the entire Barca forum wanted to kill him for him, no so real improvement.

Re the CL I just wrote about it in another reply and have wrote about it a few times this past week.

There is no hypocricy from my part.

I 'wanted to kill' Xavi since 2022, and the season we won league and SuperCopa I was here POINTING OUT that he need to go week in, week out

So I don't know who you are referring to, but it's not me

 

[RedxMAK]

I would have allowed the same excuse for Xavi, if :

1) he had shown to be a serious coach, trying to instill a proper tactical outfit that is worthy of FC BARCELONA, and is not some amateur version of Pep football

2) He had not used the same excuse himself SO MANY FUCKN TIMES to whitewash himself and his own shortcomings

Ngl, you have to give him some credit, you're acting as if he delivered horrendous football his entire time here. Xaviball excelled many times (X4vi era, Early 2022-23, Early 2023-24) Although yes there were times, where he has shown us complete Haramball but many times where we lost last season, the players have failed to score their numerous chances. Tbh, I still have to admit he was immature but I believe eventually he'll come back with a renewed mentality and a more mature press style.

 

[RedxMAK]

Ngl, you have to give him some credit, you're acting as if he delivered horrendous football his entire time here. Xaviball excelled many times (X4vi era, Early 2022-23, Early 2023-24) Although yes there were times, where he has shown us complete Haramball but many times where we lost last season, the players have failed to score their numerous chances. Tbh, I still have to admit he was immature but I believe eventually he'll come back with a renewed mentality and a more mature press style.

The problem with Xavi, was that he was too inconsistent with his football

 

[Birdy]

Ngl, you have to give him some credit, you're acting as if he delivered horrendous football his entire time here. Xaviball excelled many times (X4vi era, Early 2022-23, Early 2023-24) Although yes there were times, where he has shown us complete Haramball but many times where we lost last season, the players have failed to score their numerous chances. Tbh, I still have to admit he was immature but I believe eventually he'll come back with a renewed mentality and a more mature press style.

He 'excelled' only for 2 months: February 2022 and March 2022
And That's it.
All the rest was damn ugly, and the 'big' wins in early 22/23 were ugly too. Bad football all over

When we didn't have lever signings, and we had Auba Luuk and Adama here.
And that's probably telling of his own shortcomings: he always thought he needs 'more and better' players

 

[ajnotkeith]

2.5 and it doesn't really matter, he's matching Xavi worse season re points per game, and the entire Barca forum wanted to kill him for him, no so real improvement.

Re the CL I just wrote about it in another reply and have wrote about it a few times this past week.

I agree that the group stage finish is not relevant in and of itself but I don't agree with you that reaching the semi finals, finals etc is meaningless if you don't win, because competing in Europe is often about progress and experience.

You have to be getting to the last stages consistently to have a chance of winning eventually, it doesn't all happen in one go.

 

[jamrock]

He 'excelled' only for 2 months: February 2022 and March 2022
And That's it.
All the rest was damn ugly, and the 'big' wins in early 22/23 were ugly too. Bad football all over

When we didn't have lever signings, and we had Auba Luuk and Adama here.
And that's probably telling of his own shortcomings: he always thought he needs 'more and better' players

Flick has excelled for 3 with all Xavi signing plus 60m on Olmo, then it came crushing down lol.

I'm just kidding with this one 😅

 

[RedxMAK]

He 'excelled' only for 2 months: February 2022 and March 2022
And That's it.
All the rest was damn ugly, and the 'big' wins in early 22/23 were ugly too. Bad football all over

When we didn't have lever signings, and we had Auba Luuk and Adama here.
And that's probably telling of his own shortcomings: he always thought he needs 'more and better' players

Cmon, Early 22-23, I remember we played decent football and played well, even in the Bayern game we played really well in the first half and if it weren't for players missing their chances, we would have won that game because we haven't played a game that well in a European away game in 6 years by that point. What about the game against RM in the Supercopa. The 2 5-0s in a row last szn, no way we played bad football there. The 5-0 against Betis was so beautiful to watch.

 

[jamrock]

I agree that the group stage finish is not relevant in and of itself but I don't agree with you that reaching the semi finals, finals etc is meaningless if you don't win, because competing in Europe is often about progress and experience.

You have to be getting to the last stages consistently to have a chance of winning eventually, it doesn't all happen in one go.

If he gets to the CL SF. Then that's a whole other discussion.

Right now I'm giving him a half way report, and with that the CL league phase it's kinda irrelevant, what's most important is that we qualify.

Like I keep saying, everyone who is objective would take losing 3 points in the CL for 3 points in the league, right now.

Beating dortmund, then losing to las Palmas and leganes at home is a joke, that's the definition of one step forward two steps back.

Let's say we don't win the league and get to the CL SF, he will basically be matching exactly what Xavi did, except he didn't have araujo fucking him over in the QF.

So it would be a season of scoring more goals, but not really progressing from where we were last season.

 

[serghei]

I'm just highlight the hypocrisy of many here re Xavi with flicks current run, and the mental gymnastics they have to be doing to try and justify flick not improving the teams performance in the league so far this season.

Not that many. Many didn't like Xavi, but only Birdy made a full-blown obsession out of it, trashing the guy non stop almost. But then Birdy says a lot of loopy stuff.

I think most people moved past Xavi vs Flick comparisons and are focusing on the present and future.

Any type of improvement is enough to trust Flick. Being a league title, improvement in CL, hell even a Copa del rey title is something I'd enjoy.

 

[jamrock]

Not that many. Many didn't like Xavi, but only Birdy made a full-blown obsession out of it, trashing the guy non stop almost. But then Birdy says a lot of loopy stuff.

I think most people moved past Xavi vs Flick comparisons and are focusing on the present and future.

Any type of improvement is enough to trust Flick. Being a league title, improvement in CL, hell even a Copa del rey title is something I'd enjoy.

Nope, Xavi was being referred constantly at the start of the season, when things were looking rosey.

Now things have turn south, all those Xavi comparisons have gone silent.

 

[RedxMAK]

Not that many. Many didn't like Xavi, but only Birdy made a full-blown obsession out of it, trashing the guy non stop almost. But then Birdy says a lot of loopy stuff.

I think most people moved past Xavi vs Flick comparisons and are focusing on the present and future.

Any type of improvement is enough to trust Flick. Being a league title, improvement in CL, hell even a Copa del rey title is something I'd enjoy.

Agreed

 

[iniestaGOAT]

We don't lose under Xavi,
He has to win this one. No excuses.

Or the trophy is gone thanks to relegation form

 

[Messigician]

We don't lose under Xavi,
He has to win this one. No excuses.

Or the trophy is gone thanks to relegation form

Nothing but facts in this post