Birdy
Senior Member
Yup, I just finished them off indeed
Time for someone like you to give me some Ws I long deserve
Hans-Dieter Flick
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Yup, I just finished them off indeed
Time for someone like you to give me some Ws I long deserve
RedxMAK
Active member
My source was also FotMob. Like I said there’s no way they were all luck. There’s a good thing they absorbed that pressure and took their chances. You don’t win a league title entirely based on luck that’s not how it works. Barcelona were the best team in Spain that year and nothing is gonna convince me otherwise.
RedxMAK
Active member
Another thing I said, in Barcelona the winning comes before the performance. When the performance isn’t good, you still need to win. How do you think Barcelona won the 17-18 and 18-19 LLiga titles.
Birdy
Senior Member
That's your answer?
Dude, I wasted a good amount of my time to write for you line by line ALL the games we got undeserved points.
17 more points than what we should have
It's not bad to make a mistake
Just admit it and stop embarrassing yourself with generalities when getting cornered
RedxMAK
Active member
Statistics are not always anything and do not always show the entire picture. Like what Maradona37 said, you shouldn’t rely on them to show how good a team played in a game. If that were the case, Real Madrid’s win over us in last October’s El Clasico was undeserved as we had more xG and the same amount of big chances. But no, we deserved to lose because of us giving them too much respect in the second half. Just cause there’s a slight difference in big chances and xG, doesn’t prove anything to how the game was played. Like I said, in Barcelona, the winning comes first, when your performance can’t be good enough to win your way, you have to win eitherway. We are not Dortmund or Arsenal to be happy playing well and losing. There’s no shame in playing badly and winning.That's your answer?
Dude, I wasted a good amount of my time to write for you line by line ALL the games we got undeserved points.
17 more points than what we should have
It's not bad to make a mistake
Just admit it and stop embarrassing yourself with generalities when getting cornered
RedxMAK
Active member
At the end of the day, yes Flick’s Barcelona could be playing football 1000x times better than Xavi. But if it comes to nothing, not even a Copa Del Rey. It won’t be of value to most of the fanbase. And it would mean the apparently ‘lucky’ 22-23 Liga would have more value than what we achieved this season. It’s about the trophies at the end of the season.That's your answer?
Dude, I wasted a good amount of my time to write for you line by line ALL the games we got undeserved points.
17 more points than what we should have
It's not bad to make a mistake
Just admit it and stop embarrassing yourself with generalities when getting cornered
RedxMAK
Active member
Yeah exactlyWhat is Birdy yapping about? That winning the league by 10 point difference was luck?
RedxMAK
Active member
Man God forbid we win 1-0 and win the league by 10 points than score 72 goals and finish 3rd….What is Birdy yapping about? That winning the league by 10 point difference was luck?
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
If we are fair, Xavi's title-winning team did also display good underlying statistics with a lot of luck in hand also. So we were lucky in a lot of instances, but that also isn't the whole picture as we performed very well in defensive statistics generally.
The truth is he was an okay manager. Not awful, not amazing, just okay, and his years here were adequate. I don't believe he would have taken the team further but it wasn't a disaster under him.
The truth is he was an okay manager. Not awful, not amazing, just okay, and his years here were adequate. I don't believe he would have taken the team further but it wasn't a disaster under him.
RedxMAK
Active member
Yeah exactly. Look I admit there were some points where we were kinda lucky. But most of the time, it wasn’t luck you don’t get 26 clean sheets and 20 goals conceded in 38 games with luck. It’s just the brilliant performance of the defence and the goalkeeper. The main trait of that team was the ability to play in huge adversity and still grind points. We won in Bilbao, Osasuna, Betis, Sevilla, Atleti, Sociedad. All away from home, not even the greatest Barcelona sides have done that in one season…
Messigician
Senior Member
So he was lying?
RedxMAK
Active member
I wasn’t lying. He brought up the big chances to try and prove me wrong
Birdy
Senior Member
There is MUCH shame in playing badly and winning if you are Fc Barcelona.
That's our identity, our DNA
Have said it time and time again to the many gloryhunters here: if you want just wins and trophies w/o the football, you are at the wrong club. Go support Madrid or Juventus
Big part of the reason Xavi was kicked out was the football, whether some like it or not.
His luck ended in 23/24, after he had exhausted it in 22/23
In Fc Barcelona, football comes first. The base is the football, on the top of which results (and trophies) have to come. But it's not the other way round
Birdy
Senior Member
If we look and the underlying defensive metrics, they might look good for the 22/23 team.
STill, the point of the debate was whether we got lucky points, and some objected the fact that we got.
Some with the usual worn out motto 'you don't win trophies by luck' which football has proven wrong time and time again.
The data was presented to them that categorically proves we got 17 more points in games we didn't deserve.
That was all luck plus Stegen.
And that is not only stats, mind you. It's eye test also
We all remember those games and those months of terrible football, that we were discussing in here after each game how lucky we were, and how Stegen saved us in X or Y situation
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