Hans-Dieter Flick

[JamDav1982]

Laporta caught on to Xavis political games and Xavi was losing the plot.

It was a season where out of every competition early enough, league lost early and lost every game to Real making it 4 in a row.

His time was up and he had lost the plot a bit.

Flick could end up worse.. wont change the fact Xavi absolutely had to go.

 

[mc_lovin]

Flick didn't just improve Raphinha and Yamal. He milked 25 goals out of Robert fucking Lewandowski. He made previously deemed finished Inigo Martinez the cornerstone of his defence. Promoted Casado. Put Peña on the goal and made him perform better than anybody believed he could.

It's in the approach managers have with players. No footballer playing for Barcelona is shit, it makes no sense. There is a reason some play here and some play in amateur leagues. Flick has got the most out of every player in this squad. He believes in them. Xavi, on the other hand, openly declared he doesn't.

I give you Lewy. Thats indeed impressive. Would still have preferred Xavi trying to get rid of him though.

But do we really perform well? Thats my gripe. Our League campaign is shit. That being said we are great in Cups and CL (we also looked really promising in CL under Xavi last season).

It’s just not that black and white for me. But I do enjoy Flick and hope he succeeds.

 

[Joan]

This weak Madrid side is averaging more points than Xavi’s title winning team btw.

 

[JamDav1982]

I give you Lewy. Thats indeed impressive. Would still have preferred Xavi trying to get rid of him though.

But do we really perform well? Thats my gripe. Our League campaign is shit. That being said we are great in Cups and CL (we also looked really promising in CL under Xavi last season).

It’s just not that black and white for me. But I do enjoy Flick and hope he succeeds.

Barca beat one decent team in CL last season.. Napoli in turmoil

They went out to a PSG team that needed a dodgy penalty to get out a group with Newcastle and then were knocked out by Dortmund without scoring a goal.

That is extent of that great run.

 

[jamrock]

Do people really believe Xavi could have continued considering how toxic the situation had become? He didn't only have problems with Laporta/Deco, but he was also constantly shitting on the players he had available and whining about how they could not be competitive vs. better teams due to the players not being good enough.

He had no chance to continue at Barca unless Laporta resigned and half the squad was replaced according to his liking.

The question wasn't either he would have continued, we are assuming he would have in this hypothetical.

If he did, like I said in a post about this I think last week replying to you, which your response was basically well, the players wouldn't like Xavi anymore lol.

But Joking aside.

If he stayed, signed DM and literally just maintained his points per game, from last season, which was his worse, we would be about tied or a head of Madrid right now.

If you assume, which isn't a radical assumption, that he would have improved on that, given a new DM and how we improved towards the end of last season, before the game we lost that kind ended any chance we had at catching Madrid ( don't remember the game exactly.

Not a big leap to say we would have won the league.

1 DM and maintain his worse season points per game average would easily get us there.

 

[jamrock]

This weak Madrid side is averaging more points than Xavi’s title winning team btw.

And this Awesome Barca side is averaging less points that Xavi's worse wide.

Just staying.

Plus the Xavi average points fell off, after we won the league with multiple games to spare.

 

[JamDav1982]

Xavi with Gundo and Lewa again... jesus.

What a time that would be..

His time was up and had to go. Tactically were done too often.

 

[JamDav1982]

Genuinely a better season to win Supercopa and have less 'average points' in 2nd if lose league early anyway.

Also that was Xavi with majority of a season behind him already and into a 2nd season playing at home stadium.

Lets judge Flick after next season for a fairer full comparison should he still be in the hot seat.

 

[DonAK]

Xavi's choice for DM was Guido Rodriguez with the other reinforcement being Dani Olmo who we signed this summer anyway.

It's a radical assumption to believe Guido fucking Rodriguez would be anything more than another Oriol Romeu. It's also a big assumption to believe Xavi would be getting Raphinha to play this well considering he kept subbing him off almost every chance he could get.

We can all assume a lot of things. How the situation unfolded towards the end of his tenure seemed to suggest it was likely to get worse if he stayed on. That IMO is a fair assumption.

This is all pointless anyway. Not sure how I keep getting drawn back into this.

 

[jamrock]

No matter what happens, just remember I called Atleti will take points off Madrid in a few weeks.

When it gets closer, don't say I didn't call it lol.

Not sure about the clasico though, too far away, but everything suggest we will win it.

 

[JamDav1982]

Xavi's choice for DM was Guido Rodriguez with the other reinforcement being Dani Olmo who we signed this summer anyway.

It's a radical assumption to believe Guido fucking Rodriguez would be anything more than another Oriol Romeu. It's also a big assumption to believe Xavi would be getting Raphinha to play this well considering he kept subbing him off almost every chance he could get.

We can all assume a lot of things. How the situation unfolded towards the end of his tenure seemed to suggest it was likely to get worse if he stayed on.

This is all pointless anyway. Not sure how I keep getting drawn back into this.

He wanted to keep Sergi Roberto and had no plans for Casado despite how media want to spin that one.

Would probably still have Pedri posted up too far on the park and thinking Gundo/Lewa is a combination worth pursuing.

 

[jamrock]

Xavi's choice for DM was Guido Rodriguez with the other reinforcement being Dani Olmo who we signed this summer anyway.

It's a radical assumption to believe Guido fucking Rodriguez would be anything more than another Oriol Romeu. It's also a big assumption to believe Xavi would be getting Raphinha to play this well considering he kept subbing him off almost every chance he could get.

We can all assume a lot of things. How the situation unfolded towards the end of his tenure seemed to suggest it was likely to get worse if he stayed on.

This is all pointless anyway. Not sure how I keep getting drawn back into this.

Nah Xavi didn't need raphinha to play to this level.

Raphinha already Showed how vital he was to winning a league title without playing to this level, that's one.

Two raphinha starting showing a better level under Xavi last season.

2) those rumors were if we got him on a free, way before the summer began and Laporta said we had money to sign players.

Just take the Logical L bro.

Because what you just said was a whole lot of non sense to try and make a point.

You keep getting drawn in because it's a interesting hypothetical, daaah lol.

 

[DonAK]

Nah Xavi didn't need raphinha to play to this level.

Raphinha already Showed how vital he was to winning a league title without playing to this level, that's one.

Two raphinha starting showing a better level under Xavi last season.

2) those rumors were if we got him on a free, way before the summer began and Laporta said we had money to sign players.

Just take the Logical L bro.

Because what you just said was a whole lot of non sense to try and make a point.

You're making up scenarios in your head about Xavi would have us competing better for the league title when the team's performances and results got progressively worse the longer he stayed on as our manager.

Which logically points to a decline that likely would continue.

 

[JamDav1982]

Raphinha was not even first choice for Xavi the year Barca won the league.

Laporta spoke shit about having the money to sign likes of Nico... they needed injuries to make it happen and pay Gundo to leave.

 

[jamrock]

You're making up scenarios in your head about Xavi would have us competing better for the league title when the team's performances and results got progressively worse the longer he stayed on as our manager.

Which logically points to a decline that likely would continue.

1) this is a much better reply, that the non sense you posted before.( No disrespect).

2). We are literally doing worse than his worse season in the league, so I guess the team is just regressing generally in the league no matter who the coach is.

Guess we a cup team now.