Ibrahimovic or Bojan?

Ibrahimovic or Bojan?


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Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
200 words of EXCUSES


and here's what that did

Even Pep the main culprit in buying Ibra woke up and benched him and the first order of business was buying a consistent goal scorer ..but no Meta has to find a new excuse for Zlatan

actually, if you read it, you'd see I was refuting cal's assertion that inter were focusing on xavi and messi, leaving zlatan free to show his stuff. he was never free to show his stuff. if cal wants to say he still should have performed against lucio and samuel, or wants to doubt my assumption that he wasn't fully-fit, he's perfectly entitled to. but don't claim he was frolicking with the freedom of the pitch because those two were on him for the entirety of his involvement in that tie.

pep did absolutely the right thing benching zlatan - who was not performing at that point in the season. however that doesn't mean we should cut our losses and sell him. especially now pep has the henry replacement he wanted last fucking season IN ADDITION to zlatan. messi-zlatan-villa is a magnificent trident with a great blend of different skills.

for fucks sake man, you're not a retard, stop acting like one.

but retard or not, you have been against zlatan from day 1, so really, why should I listen to you? he's smashed both your doubts of him (wouldn't perform in el clasico, wouldn't perform in CL KO stages) so really you need to stop hatin'. that word gets tossed around way too much but you are such a hater when it comes to zlatan.

get over yourself.

here is a nice one from Gabi about Pep and the signings .. enjoy

Pep Guardiola shows his genius with ability to get more from great team


Well before Lionel Messi’s goal gave Barcelona a 3-0 lead at home to Valladolid yesterday that all but sealed La Liga, something was obvious. This is an outstanding team, perhaps one of the greatest most of us have seen.

The record books will tell you that they won La Liga with a record-breaking 99 points while winning the Club World Cup and Spanish and European Super Cups. Tinpots they may be — usually to those who don’t win them — but you still have to go out and beat your opponents. On the flip side they will also register Barcelona’s shortcomings, namely that they went out in the round of 16 of the Copa Del Rey, to Seville, and, most notably, the semi-finals of the Champions League, to Inter Milan.

A layman might look at this and suggest that Barcelona took a step back this year compared with last. After all, they won fewer trophies and failed to reach the Champions League final. But, in fact, Barcelona’s greatness this season lies in its evolution in the way that there was a transition into something different.

Last summer Pep Guardiola avoided the biggest pitfall facing successful coaches. He understood that there is no such thing as standing still at the top. You can change and take a chance on progressing or you slide backwards. There is no such thing as: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” And when you change, you necessarily expose yourself to mistakes and criticism. But the measure of a coach is how he handles that criticism and resolves those mistakes. Dmytro Chygrinskiy was one such mistake. A 6ft 4in hulk of a defender who cost £22 million, he was supposed to add depth to the back four and, ideally, become a regular by mid-season. Instead, he turned out to be a colossal dud and Guardiola was forced to move to a Plan B. With Carles Puyol showing signs of age, trusting him in central defence could have been problematic.

So Guardiola created a defensive scheme that masked Puyol’s inadequacies and highlighted his strengths, effectively forming a defensive triangle with his fellow centre half, Gerard Piqué (who in the meantime has grown into one of the best in the world at the position), and whichever player was sitting deep in midfield — usually Sergio Busquets or Yaya Touré.

Given that Barcelona usually had the bulk of possession and faced opponents who played a lone striker, the defensive “triangle” meant that the side were rarely short-handed, while ensuring Puyol was hardly ever left to defend one-on-one. At the same time, this co-ordinated defending exalted Puyol’s pace and, especially, his ability to read the game.

Barcelona’s biggest signing of the summer was also their biggest flop.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic was acquired in exchange for Samuel Eto’o , a package approaching £70 million. Ibrahimovic ended the season on 20 goals — ordinarily not a terrible return — but his apparent sluggishness and lack of movement ultimately led to him being dropped for the title run-in. Again, that is something that took courage of the kind Guardiola has displayed throughout his time in charge at the Nou Camp.

With Thierry Henry also on the slide (he would finish with only four league goals) and Andrés Iniesta injured (he would not start a game after March) this meant that Barcelona entered the crucial weeks of the season without three quarters of their front four. Admittedly, it helped that the one quarter that was unchanged was Messi, who finished the year with 47 goals in all competitions, surpassing Cristiano Ronaldo’s feat of 42 two years ago.

Guardiola found his solution. He added more muscle to the midfield, handed Xavi Hernández more attacking responsibility and inserted Pedro Rodríguez and, eventually, Bojan Krkic into the front three. What Barcelona lost in size, they gained in sharpness and movement. Which was exactly what they needed at the time. Because that’s the other quality of great coaching. Once you identify a solution, you need to be aware that it’s not permanent. A front line of Bojan (5ft 7in), Messi (5ft 6in) and Rodríguez (5ft 6in) is not viable in the modern game, unless you leave La Liga and join the “Smurf League”. But in a certain time and place — Spain, May 2010 — it was exactly what was needed.

Getting to the top is tougher than staying there. It’s a cliché, but it’s true. Guardiola has had to adapt and make adjustments. Odds are, he will have plenty more to sort out over the summer. But the way he has handled things thus far, you would not bet against him. Not because his bold moves succeeded — they didn’t — but because once they failed, he quickly readjusted, adapted and found a solution.

zlatan wasn't the biggest flop (he was a major part of the 99 points and along with messi drove us to the CL semi where they were BOTH shut down by mourinho's tactics and pep's failure to respond in time) and the defensive triangle was created to allow both full-backs to bomb on rather than mask puyol's weaknesses.

other than that it's a good article.
 

Beast

The Observer
wouldn't brand him a major contributor .. he is in the same bracket as Abdial who missed half the season to injury and Ibra missed it to bad form and then the Bench ..
If anyone should get over himself it's actually you , not me , not Cal not Pep and none of those who think it's quite a wise decision to cut your losses now and sell him before you have a 70 million Euro player sitting on the bench
He did better than expected in the CL but not enough to brand him a success at all .. even Pep didn't take a chance on him vs small teams like Valladolid and got fed up vs Inter when it mattered the most .. that's how much he rate him now .. Pep saw it will never work for him .. you are still insisting it will
he scored plenty of tab-ins but so did Eto'o but you were more awesome as a team with Eto'o and you are with Bojan but not with Ibra ..
he offer you no plan B , C or D .. the only plan B is you had to give up your system and free flowing football to accommodate him and it did cost you a lot

There is a reason why your club and manager looking for a buyer to take him off and there is a very valid reason why they bought a player in his position as the first order of business (forget Titi departing we all know Titi position belong to Pedrito , don't hide your head in the sand like an Ostrich )
Pedro earned it and Villa fit in Barca style like a glove ..it's down & out for Ibra from here onwards ..

in your words to Cal " Bitch , please wake up " :D
 

House of Flies

all your bases belong to us
for the last time, its "tap-ins"

and you guys are beyond delusional when it comes to evaluating a player's performance. messi had a horrid firsst half of the season so then what? we should get rid of him too?
 

House of Flies

all your bases belong to us
so he scored those 47 goals in 20 games ? impressive ..

no, stop acting like a 4 year old because i assume your memory fades you regarding the fact that when messi failed, ibra stepped up AT THE INITIAL POINT OF THE LEAGUE. he scored multiple first goals in multiple matches. it doesnt matter how many we score after that with that defence of ours as after the first goal, we settle in a groove of ours. secondly, who provided most of the assists during the initial liga? was it xavi, no... yeh, you guessed it, it was ibra. so, when the crunch time came, there were maybe 3 attackers that delivered... it was messi, pedro and ibra.

lets stop talking about ibra for a while and lets concentrate on kaka and benzema, if ibra was a waste of space... then i wonder what you would categorise kaka and benzema as?
 

Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
wouldn't brand him a major contributor ..

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this betrays your bias and really renders the rest of your post moot.

but I'll deal with it, as not dignifying stupidity is poor form.

If anyone should get over himself it's actually you , not me , not Cal not Pep and none of those who think it's quite a wise decision to cut your losses now and sell him before you have a 70 million Euro player sitting on the bench

€45m.

and like I said to cal, how this season ended is no indicator as to how next season will start.

He did better than expected in the CL but not enough to brand him a success at all .. even Pep didn't take a chance on him vs small teams like Valladolid and got fed up vs Inter when it mattered the most .. that's how much he rate him now .. Pep saw it will never work for him .. you are still insisting it will

I'm actually not insisting anything, more that we'd be foolish not to try. the potential for zlatan-villa-messi is incredible. with a striker of villa's quality, zlatan's game will be lifted as he'll be freer to come involve himself in play. plus zlatan plays better with a strike-partner, always has.

he scored plenty of tab-ins but so did Eto'o but you were more awesome as a team with Eto'o and you are with Bojan but not with Ibra ..

like sid lowe said, we lost 2 strikers in the summer and only signed 1. our awesome season was because of the full functioning TRIDENT, not just eto'o's performances. pep wanted to replace both eto'o and henry, the management didn't sign an henry replacement. pedro managed to sub the goals but not the performances (bar a handful of games).

he offer you no plan B , C or D .. the only plan B is you had to give up your system and free flowing football to accommodate him and it did cost you a lot

plan B was the change in formation, actually, to 4231. and it did sacrifice super-duper free-flowing football (purposefully so) so we learned different ways to attack teams and didn't become predictable.

There is a reason why your club and manager looking for a buyer to take him off and there is a very valid reason why they bought a player in his position as the first order of business (forget Titi departing we all know Titi position belong to Pedrito , don't hide your head in the sand like an Ostrich )
Pedro earned it and Villa fit in Barca style like a glove ..it's down & out for Ibra from here onwards ..

ah yes, the mythical attempts to sell zlatan. apparently true, despite the fact that repeatedly in the villa presentation press conference laporta and txiki spoke about unleashing villa with messi AND zlatan. :lol:

if we sell zlatan, beast, then we sell zlatan. I support the club, not players, so I'll get on with things as always (even if I think we should give him another go, if pep thinks he should move on then that's that). but right now I've seen nothing that indicates we're trying to offload him except some rumours in various rags of scummy reputation or bias.

anyway, I've said 100000 times I won't debate zlatan with you because are so utterly bias against him.

I've made my points, if cal wants to continue the debate he can PM me.

I'm out.
 

silky_soccer

Fireman Sam
The way i see it is, Pep, tactically was spot on to want a Taller Striker, If we refused to Evolve as a team, our success wouldnt of lasted long, so a "Plan B" was essential to remain successful. Perhaps a lesser known, out and out Target man would of been better, a Zigic,Crouch etc, as they could be Brought on if a situation where our Plan A (Villa/Bojan) isnt working out and wouldnt kick up a huge fuss about being a squad player. Ibra is incredibly talented and Fits the tall striker who fits the Mould of a tall striker who can hold the ball up well, but he became our Plan A and Plan B morphed into one, which resulted in Huge pressure and his game ultimatly dropped. And coming off our most successful season ever resulted in this huge criticism.


Either way, Villa coming in i dont think changes anyhing for Zlatan, him leaving will depend on his performances solely rather than Villas.
Messi - Ibra - Villa is what i hope to see, if it doesnt work out, i would want Pep to bring in another tall, physical striker for Tactical reaasons
 

House of Flies

all your bases belong to us
despite, what anyone says to be honest. ibra had a direct hand in 25% of our goals. that is a pretty legit number for someone that was playing his first season.

his la liga stats are easily compared to villa's (one even mentioned that they are better).
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Truth is Zlatan is not even better than Bojan atm, let alone Pedro. And Villa... oh well.
And some guys can't even take Villa signing without making it all about Zlatan and how to accommodate the big Swede and immediately demote Pedro and Bojan out of first eleven.
Poll result speak for itself. Little Bojan benched Ibra in the final games of the season and proved he can handle the pressure. It should have happened way earlier but Pep is a patient man and endured Ibra's pathetic performances for the last 5 months (except 2 games maybe). Just like those polls in Catalonia showed that Zlatan should leave.
If he stays, he is into a season of battle for that #9 spot. And if he lost that battle in the final stretch of the season I don't see him winning it vs. Villa unless Villa is sacrificed on the flank. But then you get double damage as not only Villa is a natural striker but you also push Pedro out of the squad.
Additionally, should Cesc arrive, it will only complicate things more as Iniesta basically becomes the winger with Cesc-Xavi operating behind the trio.
 

Cal-FCB

Wurzeltron
Lol we could carry this on for a while Meta, and while it would be enjoyable, it's a Friday and debating with you is far too much hard work and thinking:lol:
 

House of Flies

all your bases belong to us
the messed up part is that, the ones that hate ibra are the same ones that support yaya. it makes no sense as the arguments that they pose for yaya are the same arguments that they try to discredit for ibra. busquets is twice the player that yaya has been all throughout the season yet no one wants to see the back of him. yaya has contributed absolutely zilch to the campaign. absolutely zilch yet ibra, who actually did something is being hounded out?

it makes no sense.
 

Cal-FCB

Wurzeltron
I don't hate Ibra, I wouldn't be upset if he stayed. Anyway that makes no sense J. Busquets has been given most games this season and played very well, although still not the level of Yaya 08/09 IMO. Yaya has been given a handful of games and had a mixed set of performances. Ibra started pretty much every game he was available for this season until the end and gradually got worse and worse. Two completely different cases.
 

beef-supreme

Senior member
Ibra hate is so annoying. It;s like the Titi hate from Titi's first season.
But anyway soon the haters will shut up.
 

House of Flies

all your bases belong to us
I don't hate Ibra, I wouldn't be upset if he stayed. Anyway that makes no sense J. Busquets has been given most games this season and played very well, although still not the level of Yaya 08/09 IMO. Yaya has been given a handful of games and had a mixed set of performances. Ibra started pretty much every game he was available for this season until the end and gradually got worse and worse. Two completely different cases.

Yaya has been a mixed bag? Bar the valladolid game, he was generally a waste of space. Busquets and Keita were far better than him and if we are to sign cesc... for me, using your logic, yaya gotta go because he would be hampering the game time for jds and thiago. Ibra got worse and worse towards the end of the season, but Yaya has been bad one game, then decent in another and then bad in another game.

again, i am using your logic.
 
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Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Ibra hate is so annoying. It;s like the Titi hate from Titi's first season.
But anyway soon the haters will shut up.

- Titi had to adapt to being a winger from being a striker at Arsenal. And he was 30. Ibra didn't have that problem he slotted into his favourite position.
- Titi came in a losing team after a lost season and in a season when we ended up trailing 18 points behind Madrid. vs. Ibra coming in a winning team.
- Titi cost 24 million, Ibra 49
- Titi was a hard worker and doesn't have attitude problems

So yeah, Henry hate was far more worse.
 

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