Kroos would have fit Pep's, Tito's and Tata's Barca like a glove but for LE's Barca, I don't think God has made a midfielder suited to play in Lucho's system.
Is it time to sack Lucho?
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Kroos would have fit Pep's, Tito's and Tata's Barca like a glove but for LE's Barca, I don't think God has made a midfielder suited to play in Lucho's system.
footyfan
Calma, calma
No of course it's not time to sack Lucho yet. Every manager deserves time to correct his mistakes and 2 months is not close to sufficient enough. It sets a terrible precedent for the future and promotes uncertainty and instant results. Also, need to stop comparing Luis Enrique to Ancelotti. Firstly, Ancelotti is a lot more experienced, secondly Real Madrid's squad last season is far far better than Barca's squad this season. Thirdly, stuff sometimes just clicks for certain people in certain instances and can't be replicated.
Besides who would you guys replace him with?
Besides who would you guys replace him with?
Anyone who doesn't make us play exclusively on the wing completely bypassing what used to be our main point of attack i.e, the midfield.
All you guys defending Lucho I have a question. Lucho had an entire transfer window and then a pre-season and after that 10+ games to instill his mentality and get the team functioning. Now tell me are the players daft as even after all this time they look like headless chickens out their who have not any idea what they are doing. Lucho has had sufficient time to at least make his tactics appear on the surface if not firing on all cylinders. Do you see a system that plays to our strengths? Any sort of consistency? Any tactics? All I see is MSN bailing us out game after game. Now tell me after all this you think no one would be an improvement. Lucho's system is failing on a level equal to last season's ManU and so far it looks like Lucho either doesn't have the balls or the brains or a combination of both to admit he was wrong and try to rectify his mistakes.
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Ghostmaster
Danger Ahead
Brendan Rodgers seems to be under fire, some ppl wanted Mou, so maybe Mou's apprentice would do
footyfan
Calma, calma
Barca are in an inescapable period of transition, no manager will be able to be successful playing that style anymore with Barca's current players. Players like Rakitic, Roberto and Rafinha do not have the control, skill and tempo-setting attributes that are required to be central midfielders in Barca's midfield. Anytime they lose the ball, there's going to be an instant counter-attack that Barca's poor defensive transition will not be able to handle. Losing the ball on the wing is far safer. Besides, nearly every team has figured out Barca's midfield routine because the original players (Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets) are slower and more stale in possession. To replicate that style, you would need players in their physical prime who have comparable technical skill (prime example RM - Isco, Kroos and the best midfielder in the world Modric). Buying Kroos alone or Modric alone or Isco alone wouldn't have worked either, you need the entire midfield functioning on the same wavelength. The current style is a necessary change that focusses on Barca's current strength - their best in the world forward line.
Barca had an amazing transfer window this time, considering the circumstances and players available, but really they have been paying the price for not renewing the squad enough in the previous 2-3 seasons.
It would be terrible management to go to a fifth coach in five years. This sport changes coaches way too often.
As the core players from the great teams age out, it is very unlikely that their replacements will be as high quality. Not because of mismanagement. Because these players are incredibly rare.
The severe fade under Tata second half last year did require a change. Now, this rebuilding team needs stability. Three years minimum with Lucho. Change would be worse, core players would flee.
As the core players from the great teams age out, it is very unlikely that their replacements will be as high quality. Not because of mismanagement. Because these players are incredibly rare.
The severe fade under Tata second half last year did require a change. Now, this rebuilding team needs stability. Three years minimum with Lucho. Change would be worse, core players would flee.
Alarcón
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Yeah, like it's so easy to make us play better, you just tell the players "play through the middle, be more creative, don't let the attackers do everything" and we'll win every game 8-0 from now on and everyone will be happy forever.
Some of you people really need to get a reality check.
By the way, here's a nice comparison Barça vs. Bayern this season, huge difference I have to say:
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yeah working the wings have done wonders for us. If playing through midfield is bad its worse though the wings. Might aswell not play Rakitic, Busi and Xavi/Don/Rafinha at all instead of wasting them on the pitch. The midfield might not be best in the world but it still has quality and might I remind you many teams playing with a midfield and only 1 ever had Xavi. I don't see every other team playing the wings just because they don't have Xavi.
Yeah, like it's so easy to make us play better, you just tell the players "play through the middle, be more creative, don't let the attackers do everything" and we'll win every game 8-0 from now on and everyone will be happy forever.
Some of you people really need to get a reality check.
By the way, here's a nice comparison Barça vs. Bayern this season, huge difference I have to say:
show me player positional maps of both team you'll be surprised to see how isolated our midfielders are
Alarcón
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That wasn't the point. You said we "play exclusively on the wing and bypass the midfield", and these statistics show that's nonsense
I meant our main attacking play. In our best year wings were our plan B in order to draw opponents out but now its a plan A but we don't have the players for that kind of a system and that is on Lucho because he was given a free hand on what players he needed plus by bypassing midfield I meant that our midfield is crippled because they are isolated in a sense you can say that Lucho has bypassed the midfield in favor of wing play. Who would have thought we'd see this in Barca of all teams
footyfan
Calma, calma
Sure and Lucho might realise that and switch back to a central midfield based play if he finds that the other alternatives are worse. BUT you've got to give him time to experiment and figure that out. Because, once again, Barca are in a period of transition. Infact, it would have been irresponsible of Lucho to not try out a different system and go with the already-proven-to-be-found-out central midfield focus right from the start of his tenure.
My own perspective is that Barca, with it's current players and current football climate, would benefit from an Argentina 4-4-2ish approach. I think it would be a lot more successful than the "4-3-3 the true BARCA way" midfield that a lot of people are clamoring for. Will Lucho go for it? I don't know. Will the press allow him to do it? Don't think so. Will the local fans like to give up their identity and become a more defensive oriented team? Maybe, but probably not.
But you're never going to find out if you sack managers two months in and/or do not support him fully during his tenure. What do you think would happen with the new manager if you sack Lucho? He will come in a football and political climate where he would be under immense pressure from all sides to return to Barca's roots (even though it is clearly unfeasible with the current crop) because everyone is tired of these non-Barca formation experiments. Do you really think this brings a guarantee for success in the future? Essentially you're hoping to luck out on everything coming together a la Pep.
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