Isco

[BBZ8800]

Well it's true. James is much more effective and I have to agree that either James should start or both of them(without Bale). It's fairly dumb to let Isco start over James.

I know.
I wanted to say: it seems that our fans are slightly overrating Isco, as the new Iniesta.
We rate him much higher than Real's fans, it seems.

 

[MaxY]

I know.
I wanted to say: it seems that our fans are slightly overrating Isco, as the new Iniesta.
We rate him much higher than Real's fans, it seems.

Yeah I also noticed that and I honestly don't think they're that similar. When I think of Iniesta I think of sick passing,vision and dribbling(in that order). Isco doesn't have the passing nor the vision, those 2 traits are nowhere near Iniesta's so I think that Isco-Iniesta comparisons are out of place. It's mostly because of balance,dribbling,control and perhaps skill moves that they're compared. If Isco wasn't Spanish I don't think he'd be compared to Iniesta.

 

[Raed]

Well it's true. James is much more effective and I have to agree that either James should start or both of them(without Bale). It's fairly dumb to let Isco start over James.

No it is not. It is not dumb, what is dumb is to set either of them up for failure. I am afraid Rafa does not understand these players at all.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I know.
I wanted to say: it seems that our fans are slightly overrating Isco, as the new Iniesta.
We rate him much higher than Real's fans, it seems.

Every young player will be compared by gr8 older player ,that is the way it is .I highly doubt anyone thinks he will really be as good as Iniesta tbh .
Iniesta might be one of the greatest 3 spanish players of all time when it is all said and done .unfair to really think of Isco (or insert whatever name you like ) to Iniesta .and when a player proves himself as a star he will not be compared to older player but turn to be the opposite (Messi was the new Maradona ,now there is a new Messi every week)
But Isco is gr8 talent and sort of fun to watch and I think many of us would have loved to see him .
though I would agree with the original point .we tend to overrate him a bit and James is better t

 

[Beast]

I was reading some of Real's forums.

A lot of their fans are pissed at Isco because he has no tactical awareness.
They say that he is too often all over the place, and that too often he just dribbles, dribbles and dribbles without any real purpose.

That's his problem , that's why he i said showboating.. yes it will please the neutral or be great when you are leading or to really get out of a tight spot.. but when you have space & team mates free & you decide to dribble past 2 and than lose the ball ... it pisses everyone off

He needs to learn when to release the ball.. that's a trait the likes of Zidane , Iniesta & Xavi are masters at it.. without changing he will be always a sub

he is a great talent but not all talents can be world class or prove their worth ... there is 10000 examples from Robinho to Balotelli

No it is not. It is not dumb, what is dumb is to set either of them up for failure. I am afraid Rafa does not understand these players at all.

Rafa has two issues

1- outdated tactics & moves
2- He never dealt with stars at this level.. or lets say his previous dealings with superstars where all failures

he might learn in time .. but the price for us will be very heavy ... first thing he needs to do if there is any hope is to solve Bale issues

 

[Raed]

That's his problem , that's why he i said showboating.. yes it will please the neutral or be great when you are leading or to really get out of a tight spot.. but when you have space & team mates free & you decide to dribble past 2 and than lose the ball ... it pisses everyone off

He needs to learn when to release the ball.. that's a trait the likes of Zidane , Iniesta & Xavi are masters at it.. without changing he will be always a sub

he is a great talent but not all talents can be world class or prove their worth ... there is 10000 examples from Robinho to Balotelli


Rafa has two issues

1- outdated tactics & moves
2- He never dealt with stars at this level.. or lets say his previous dealings with superstars where all failures

he might learn in time .. but the price for us will be very heavy ... first thing he needs to do if there is any hope is to solve Bale issues

To be fair Beast, Isco is not as clinical as James, that is a given, but he has proved his worth for me, because he's sacrificed a lot. In his first season, his backup role helped us win the Copa del Rey and the CL. He was top 3 performers. In his second season, he was doing so well but got burnt a long with Kroos. They just need to be played, Iniesta was very shy when he came onto the scene but exploded under Rijkaard because the latter fed him confidence. Isco is the same. He gets better with time. In my opinion both James and Isco's potentials will be unlocked when Bale is resolved. He truly is ruining everything because Bale is not willing to sacrifice anything, he is uncompromising. See below.

"I had already decided that Ronaldo wouldn't play 90 minutes because he was out for a while," said Ancelotti in his post-match press conference.

"Bale and Cristiano will both be totally fit for the second leg in Germany. What is important is sacrifice. Di María and Isco made sacrifices and that helped the team a lot.

"Ronaldo wasn't in his best shape, but it was important for us that he played. We are happy.

"Ronaldo sacrificed a lot by playing in a central and defensive position. The whole team has sacrificed a lot."

I really believe that the best option for Real Madrid given the unbalanced squad we have is to revert back to a 4 4 2. Using Ronaldo Modric/Kovacic Isco/Kroos Bale in a straight 4, with James/Jese playing just behind Benzema that would be sick. However Rafa is an idiot who won't know how to operate that dynamic 4 4 2/4 3 3 hybrid.

 

[MaxY]

Isco is so terrible lately. He shouldn't even be compared to James and I think Kovacic is better atm.

 

[Barcafan 2304]

I'm actually a big fan of Isco and would have been pleased if we had got him. Strange his performances this season so far. Still think he is good enough to suggest that this is a tough patch and he will improve

 

[Raed]

Isco is so terrible lately. He shouldn't even be compared to James and I think Kovacic is better atm.

He had a poor match against Malaga, his former club. He was good otherwise in the previous matches, what you talking about?

 

[Beast]

I wouldn't give him more than 6/10 in any game Raed, Isco is really a step down from his previous match form

he is more interested in scoring those curving shots ... focused more on his own than the team

 

[Raed]

I wouldn't give him more than 6/10 in any game Raed, Isco is really a step down from his previous match form

he is more interested in scoring those curving shots ... focused more on his own than the team

You think it is a James-complex? Or Rafa's orders?

 

[MaxY]

You think it is a James-complex? Or Rafa's orders?

It's most likely both.

 

[Raed]

He is under a lot of pressure I feel to perform like James did, and he is not this type of player. He is getting a lot of playing time because there are a lot of injured players, ever since he came but when all are fit, he is not first choice. This is his most appropriate chance to get his first team place cemented under a somewhat tolerant Rafa. Other coaches won't start him so if he does not perform well this year, I am afraid he will be axed. His assist to Benzema against Bilbao for the winner was great though. His left foot cross that led to Benzema's tap in the CL was good too and he had a brilliant left footed cross for an assist before that too. His biggest weakness is appearing to me that he doesn't know what he is best at.

 

[Raed]

http://www.espnfc.com/club/real-mad...-needs-to-get-back-to-scoring-for-real-madrid

 

[BarcaOG]

He was awful today. Awful.