Ivan Rakitić

[God Serena]

Thiago's situation had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Samper's. Everyone could see Thiago was the real deal, and God know's why Tito didn't play him more (and why Thiago himself didn't have patience to wait out Xavi's inevitable decline and ultimate departure). Samper on the other hand, has shown little to nothing since he left the youth teams, and while I still harbor a naive hope, that he could turn out good, there's really not much to support such a claim.
Going by your logic, we can't let anyone go, just in case they turn out to be world beaters.

Samper has shown little to nothing since he left the youth teams? That's simply not true. You're probably one of those who didn't watch him play for the B team a single time. Although even in the limited first team appearances he did make, he was certainly showing more than most of the midfielders we have currently. The only time where you can say he showed little to nothing is during his loan spell, which in hindsight was a poor place to send him.

Samper isn't just another player to hang onto in case he becomes a world beater, he's a player who was once one of our top prospects and he still has plenty of potential to be a solid backup in our midfield. Better than a Denis Suarez or an Andre Gomes, at any rate.

 

[JamDav1982]

Samper has shown little to nothing since he left the youth teams? That's simply not true. You're probably one of those who didn't watch him play for the B team a single time. Although even in the limited first team appearances he did make, he was certainly showing more than most of the midfielders we have currently. The only time where you can say he showed little to nothing is during his loan spell, which in hindsight was a poor place to send him.

Samper isn't just another player to hang onto in case he becomes a world beater, he's a player who was once one of our top prospects and he still has plenty of potential to be a solid backup in our midfield. Better than a Denis Suarez or an Andre Gomes, at any rate.

He wasnt great for the B team. Some of that could be blamed on it being a tough time to be at that team as they were shit but he never at any point really stood out as all that much better than the rest.

Pointless comparisons to Denis and Gomes both of who have shown much more to date at a higher level than Samper.

If he wants to change that he can start by impressing Valverde this summer.

Can see how it goes but I dont hold out much hope for him being good enough now. Just looks to timid and poor defensively to me.

 

[Trickykid]

Samper has shown little to nothing since he left the youth teams? That's simply not true. You're probably one of those who didn't watch him play for the B team a single time. Although even in the limited first team appearances he did make, he was certainly showing more than most of the midfielders we have currently. The only time where you can say he showed little to nothing is during his loan spell, which in hindsight was a poor place to send him.

Samper isn't just another player to hang onto in case he becomes a world beater, he's a player who was once one of our top prospects and he still has plenty of potential to be a solid backup in our midfield. Better than a Denis Suarez or an Andre Gomes, at any rate.

Nice assumption there buddy, wrong nonetheless.

Sure, he showed his talent in glimpses, but even at a rather dysfunctional side at that one, he should've shown much much more. Slow as a turtle and bad defensively.

If you really think he's shown much more than most of our currently midfielders, then let's just agree to disagree, because that's just silly.

 

[Icarium]

We paid 40M for Arda, we should not sell Rakitic unless we get 35M. He is a good player, plus without signing a replacement we can't sell him. Arda should leave before rakitic and i would even send rafinha packing. He is a good player but no ideal place for him in the team and he does not have versatility of Roberto to play anywhere.

 

[BBZ8800]

We paid 40M for Arda, we should not sell Rakitic unless we get 35M. He is a good player, plus without signing a replacement we can't sell him. Arda should leave before rakitic and i would even send rafinha packing. He is a good player but no ideal place for him in the team and he does not have versatility of Roberto to play anywhere.

Ok, people would not sell this or that player for less than xx millions.

But, for example, imagine that we buy Verratti/Seri and decide to promote Samper and Alena and that we need to sell 1 or 2 midfielders.

Now, imagine that the highest bid for Arda is 10m, the highest bid for Raki 25m and the highest bid for Rafinha is 12m.
What then?

I mean, it is easy to say "we won't let him go for less than xx", but what if we will need money for Verratti and a Rb and yet due to suppy and demand, absolutely none top team would offer anything for our players?

So:
You need money
You want high transfer fees for your players
No one is interested in your players
You need to sell no matter what due to too many midfielfders, too high wages in total due to too many players and to get some money to fund Verratti's and Semedo's transfer

What then?

 

[Icarium]

Ok, people would not sell this or that player for less than xx millions.

But, for example, imagine that we buy Verratti/Seri and decide to promote Samper and Alena and that we need to sell 1 or 2 midfielders.

Now, imagine that the highest bid for Arda is 10m, the highest bid for Raki 25m and the highest bid for Rafinha is 12m.
What then?

I mean, it is easy to say "we won't let him go for less than xx", but what if we will need money for Verratti and a Rb and yet due to suppy and demand, absolutely none top team would offer anything for our players?

So:
You need money
You want high transfer fees for your players
No one is interested in your players
You need to sell no matter what due to too many midfielfders, too high wages in total due to too many players and to get some money to fund Verratti's and Semedo's transfer

What then?

We will sell the unwanted players first at any case even if we don't get high offers, then we will come to squad players. If the offer is high we will sell Rakitic too. Selling Arda and Rafinha for 22M together than selling Raki for 25M wouldn't you agree? We will be clearing 2 players from wage structure and also cut down the number of player to make way for Verratti/Seri and a Right back. I know it is just hypothetical but we won't promote Alena and we will not keep Samper in the squad.

Arda, Rafinha, Roberto, Gomes, Rakitic, Iniesta, Busi, Denis. Sell Arda and Rafinha get Verratti then you have 7 midfielders out of which one can play at Rb too and one can play as a winger. It is perfectly ideal, we don't need to sell Rakitic unless we get a good offer. I would rather sell Arda and Rafinha for 10M together than Rakitic for anything less than 35M.

 

[BBZ8800]

We will sell the unwanted players first at any case even if we don't get high offers, then we will come to squad players. If the offer is high we will sell Rakitic too. Selling Arda and Rafinha for 22M together than selling Raki for 25M wouldn't you agree? We will be clearing 2 players from wage structure and also cut down the number of player to make way for Verratti/Seri and a Right back. I know it is just hypothetical but we won't promote Alena and we will not keep Samper in the squad.

Arda, Rafinha, Roberto, Gomes, Rakitic, Iniesta, Busi, Denis. Sell Arda and Rafinha get Verratti then you have 7 midfielders out of which one can play at Rb too and one can play as a winger. It is perfectly ideal, we don't need to sell Rakitic unless we get a good offer. I would rather sell Arda and Rafinha for 10M together than Rakitic for anything less than 35M.

I know, your answer is ok.

But my point was about people who post all the time: "In the current market, a player XX is worth xx Millions."

I mean, if Semedo is 50M, then we could ask at least 5M for Vermaelen.
But at the end of a day NO ONE will buy him because of his insanely high wages, age, being injury prone plus paying a transfer fee on top of that.
So, saying: if Semedo is worth 50M, then Verm is worth at least 5M, doesn't work.
Since:
1. there are clubs who are willing to play 50M transfer fee for Semedo (Barca and other rich clubs)
2. plus we are willing to give him better wages
On the other hand:
1. there are NO ineterested clubs in Vermaelen since no one is willing to match Barca's wages
2. plus, no one is willing to pay wages plus transfer fee on top of that

So, Semedo is 50M. But Verm is still a player whom we can release only for free.
The same about Mathieu.

So, unwanted players here are only: Arda, Verm and Mathieu, right?
Arda, no one is willing to bid on him.
Turkish teams never pay more than 10M. Top European teams don't want him. Midtable European teams don't have 10M for fee plus money for wages on top of that.
So, if someone says: in today's market Arda is worth 20-30, that is insane.
Truth is, even in today's market, NO ONE is willing to pay more than 10M for Arda.

So, we can sell Verm only for free. Mathieu for free of for 1-2 Millions.
Arda can get 10M at max, by some luck.

And then, we have already "exhausted" all options.
Gomes, Arda and Paco will get one more chance.
That means that next "victims" are Rafinha, Mascherano or Rakitic.

Anyway, my point is that: Barca can say: we want 30M for Rafinha or Arda.
But what then if the highest bidder will offer only 10-12M?
In a perfect world, we will have enough money for transfers, new wages and for keeping all players.

In a realistic world, if we'll buy Verratti, we'll need to sell more players than just Arda and Mathieu.
So, if Valencia or West Ham come knocking for Rafinha and they are offering 12M, we can't say: but in the current market we paid 50M for Semedo. So please, could you pay 30M since it would be fair for today's market?

Every smaller team will say: lol. Paying 100M for Verratti or 50M for Semedo was your problem and you being desperate.
We are still offering only 12M max for Rafinha, take it or leave it.

Majority on this forum will say: fuck them then. We won't let Rafinha for less than 30M.
But again, we'll need money for transfers and Messi's wages. Some players will have to go.
We need money, other teams are offering only 12M. Take it or leave it... And we'll need to take it.

Anyway, I don't believe that we will get as much money as people are expecting for: Arda, Rafinha, Rakitic (if we will try to sell them one day).
"A current market" thing doesn't work that way.
Prices are inflated for TOP players and only when TOP European teams (or rich EPL teams) are buying players.
All other transfers are NOT inflated or they are only slightly inflated. (We sold the next Messi Halilovic for only 5M. We can't say: if Semedo is 50M, then Halil is 30M. No, he is not. Semedo is still worth 50M because there are top teams interested in him, while Halil is still worth only 5M because NO ONE out of top/rich teams is inetrested in him).

 

[JerseyAddict]

The majority on this forum will say: fuck them then. We won't let Rafinha for less than 30M.
But again, we'll need money for transfers and Messi's wages. Some players will have to go.
We need money, other teams are offering only 12M. Take it or leave it... And we'll need to take it.

Something like that. Yes.

 

[clemente]

Just shows how you underestime how much money we generate, if you honestly think we should sell Rafinha for less than 30m then I'm just done

 

[xXKonan]

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[Altomonte]

can't a good manager turn around Halilovic?

 

[DonAK]

No good manager would want him.

 

[God Serena]

can't a good manager turn around Halilovic?

Why bother when you can just use literally anyone else?

 

[GetIn]

His lack of speed would get exposed even more in the PL.

 

[BarçaBarça]

I would sell him for 80 M €, but I don't see anyone paying that kind of money for him.
To sell him just to finance Verratti is stupid, because we will not get Verratti.