Ivan Rakitić
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Arizona Scott
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Same people here calling him trash but wouldn't sell him for 35m
Seems to me the really have some sense of the truth underneath the hate. "Closeted hating"?
Gnidrologist
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Bunch of empty platitudes in sanctimonious tone.
What's so different about "European community" of random poeple on internet. Are you some kind of european supremacist. The vices you mentioned are universal and only end with grave and you haven't been better at avoiding them. Funny how it would need to be "trumpism", when it's the opposite side that has gone complete apeshit crazy with irrational bheavior. And lastly, just because someone disagrees and even insults (very softly as of this forum) you does not mean that someone is trolling or conversation is not civil and with application of intellect still. Check out the real life, bro. Internet is fucking heaven of civility in comparison unless you're privileged darling.
Every direct pass to goal scorer counts as assist. I think we both know how 'real' assists work. As i said, Raki was decent and i wasn't overly sarcastic. The problem is that i'm tired of his decency and want Barca's mid to be more than that. It's time to take risks and see what happens or maybe we should sign Matic now.
Arizona Scott
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You trying to educate on real life, funny.
You said you didnt "notice" rakitic in the last sevilla match. (Or the sevilla copa match before). Just shows your extreme bias that colors how you watch barca, nothing more.
You said you didnt "notice" rakitic in the last sevilla match. (Or the sevilla copa match before). Just shows your extreme bias that colors how you watch barca, nothing more.
Gnidrologist
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Unlike you, the paragon of objectivity, rite. I'd suggest you leave you feelings to your family before venturing into teh internets. Yeah, everything i say about Raki or any other Barca player is exactly how i see them.
God Serena
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Which specific games can we talk about that Messi has performed well in? How about Arthur? Or Mats? Or Alba? Or even Pique?
Rakitic playing well against Sevilla is nice and all but here's the thing, him only being up to standards in select games is the exact reason why he's seen as being so terrible. We likely can't pick out specific games where Suarez has been shit (That aren't his most recent), but we can probably find a game here or there where he wasn't. The same applies to Rakitic. He will start vs Madrid. He will start against Lyon. He will start against Girona. He will start against Rayo. And we'll be lucky to see him perform decently in any of those games. But certain people will be in here, desperately trying to remind us of Sevilla. On-field ability and performances clearly have nothing to do with who gets minutes in Valverde's Barca, and Rakitic has put in performances consistently that do not warrant him getting even half the minutes he is guaranteed currently.
Some guy who hasn't even been here a year calling senior members trolls for being able recognize the average quality of his performances is, to put it frankly, an insult. Using Sevilla as a sole defense for Rakitic is quite literally losing the forest for the trees and that inability to see the bigger picture is exactly how the club has managed to go three consecutive years without a CL semi appearance immediately after winning the treble, with a fourth looking incredibly likely.
Rakitic playing well against Sevilla is nice and all but here's the thing, him only being up to standards in select games is the exact reason why he's seen as being so terrible. We likely can't pick out specific games where Suarez has been shit (That aren't his most recent), but we can probably find a game here or there where he wasn't. The same applies to Rakitic. He will start vs Madrid. He will start against Lyon. He will start against Girona. He will start against Rayo. And we'll be lucky to see him perform decently in any of those games. But certain people will be in here, desperately trying to remind us of Sevilla. On-field ability and performances clearly have nothing to do with who gets minutes in Valverde's Barca, and Rakitic has put in performances consistently that do not warrant him getting even half the minutes he is guaranteed currently.
Some guy who hasn't even been here a year calling senior members trolls for being able recognize the average quality of his performances is, to put it frankly, an insult. Using Sevilla as a sole defense for Rakitic is quite literally losing the forest for the trees and that inability to see the bigger picture is exactly how the club has managed to go three consecutive years without a CL semi appearance immediately after winning the treble, with a fourth looking incredibly likely.
Arizona Scott
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In the immortal words of Mike Gundy 'I'm a man, I'm 40' Well not really (I am a bit older) but close enough. I am quite comfortable with my feelings.
But I still don't know if 1) you just didn't watch the Barca-Sevilla or 2) truly did watch it and your eyes or brain or prejudice in what you see resulted in you not seeing that Rakitic was highly involved in the two key goals that kept the match alive. In your words you "didn't notice him". One of these 2 has to be true. Not just you, many on this forum this scenario has to play out, over and over, about many players.
You guy think I am some Rakitic homer. He isn't one of my favorite 7+ players (maybe top 10), I just call bull caca when I see it. And when it comes to him, and Bob, and Suarez, and Coutinho, and Pique, the pile gets really high on barcaforum.com.
Arizona Scott
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You have to play who you have on your roster. I personally think Rakitic should play about 30% less, not because "he sucks" but when he is tired it compounds his weaknesses and we really need him to be the best he can be come april. But who do you suggest we play more? More Vidal? More Coutinho in midfield? Or is it the eternal hope of Alena or Orial or Puig--all of these are not 1/3rd of player Rakitic is at the moment and only the most homeristic views think they are ready for the biggest matches of a football's season.
MTL_Barca
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Market for 31yo players isn't that easy and it also depends what the player wants. We can't force him to go to United or w/e club might bid more so it could come down to take a lower offer or keep the player and get no money at all.
If we really want to sell him i don't think 5-10M will be decisive in the end. The goal would be to build a new young midfield with Frenkie, Arthur, Alena and get some cash on the side, suddenly having old Rakitic who still wants to start and less money for LB/CF could mean a complete change of plan.
Like i get that 35M wouldn't be much but this "50M or fuck off" mentality doesn't make much sense in this case. It's not like we are a smaller club that gets offers for one of his star players, if we even listen to offers that means we don't need him anymore.
Getting around 40M would be decent imo, better than overloading the midfield just to keep him until we give him away for free. For that money we could (almost) sign a striker for example.
Opportunity to cash in bigtime was last summer right after the WC but we still needed him back then. His price wont go up anymore from this point.
If we really want to sell him i don't think 5-10M will be decisive in the end. The goal would be to build a new young midfield with Frenkie, Arthur, Alena and get some cash on the side, suddenly having old Rakitic who still wants to start and less money for LB/CF could mean a complete change of plan.
Like i get that 35M wouldn't be much but this "50M or fuck off" mentality doesn't make much sense in this case. It's not like we are a smaller club that gets offers for one of his star players, if we even listen to offers that means we don't need him anymore.
Getting around 40M would be decent imo, better than overloading the midfield just to keep him until we give him away for free. For that money we could (almost) sign a striker for example.
Opportunity to cash in bigtime was last summer right after the WC but we still needed him back then. His price wont go up anymore from this point.
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Arizona Scott
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I am in favor of this. Need balance in the attributes in midfield (including some size, particularly for set piece defending). Use the saving from selling while acquiring via a free towards another striker.
Arizona Scott
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Of course I pulled the 1/3 number about of nowhere, for effort. Turns out transfermarket would have it more like 1/4.33 in player valuation.
Taking the 1/3 or 1/4.33 out of it--tAIN POINT is in crunch moments, intense matches in champions league or CDL today that will go a long way to defining season success, no I don't think Alena is ready. I don't think he is ready, I am pretty sure EV doesn't think he is ready, and sofascore/whoscored/squawka scores show we have better options. From my eyes at the moment he is too loose with his touch, and physically not ready vs 1st rate opposing defenses, high press, etc. Oriol and Puig, way, way not ready.
Busi, Arthur, Rakitic, Vidal and Countinho--they are far more seasoned and skilled for those moments in the midfield at the present.
Alena should get some league starts, yes, he is progressing and the pressure in league isn't so great with nice cushion. Maybe he can get spot duty in those bigger matches pending those matches being well in hand (or more playing time if we get hit by injuries and have no other options). But he has to show a lot more composure to play in the crunch time, season defining moments, we have 5 better players at the moment who can play in on or more of the midfield spots. He is not ready for Real or City or Liverpool or Atletico, etc. Alena has a good chance to be ready for those moments in years to come, Puig and Oriol, who knows but should not be counted on yet as future Barca rotation players.
Cule4life
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Fanboys tend to do that.
Fanboys tend to simplify football to such ridiculous levels cos they are incapable of understanding its full context. Man if only football was played in transfermarket and not on the pitch, Cesc would have been a Barca legend.
Yeah Vidal will come good in crunch time even though he's struggling against weaker sides
Yeah Raki will come good in crunch time looking at his "performances" in past CLs and current "performances" in majority of matches.
Yeah Valmierda is preparing Alena for crunch time by barely playing him.
A small part of me envies your severely limited football worldview. Must be fun when everything is so simplified and your favourite players is unbenchable.
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