Ivan Rakitić

Co0ter

Senior Member
I dont understand how people criticize Rakitic so much when Busquets makes more mistakes than Rakitic and in more dangerous positions. Busquets has one WC game every several. He's usually a liability vs teams with pace, not sure why Liverpool hasnt built their attack around that.
 

vlad

New member
horrible performance, messi had to do everything from midfield moving forward. even busquets was more attacking than rakitic

You really dont like him, because that wasnt horrible performance, far from it, about messi coming to midfield, he even doest that when forums favorite is playing, arthur, he did that when xavi and iniesta were here in their last seasons.

So what did you find so horrible last night?
 

ArtistCatalunya

Active member
I didn't appreciate his performance.
With the ball, he is not a skilled creator, is not the special element who will help you deal against klopp pressure.
Off the ball, he was responsible of two big chances for Liverpool: the chance when Salah hit the post (bad clearance from Raki) + the chance of Milner saved by Stegen (Raki didn't track back quickly when Milner went to the box).
Edit: it seems that he was the player who saved the ball at the line in the same action too. At least, he made the effort, not bad, lol.
 
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gregorrin10

Senior Member
We need to sell Rakitic this summer. With FDJ coming, Arthur in need of even more regular minutes next season to fully complete his integration into the squad/lineup, Vidal also proving himself very much needed of adding something different into our squad, and Roberto not only able to play, but actually being more useful in that right midfield role, since his 1 on 1 defending and speed, which should be full back's biggest strengths, but with Roberto they are his biggest weaknesses, and if Wague continues to improve and gets promoted (which in all honesty he seems to be ready for), we'll have that extra option for RB, then Roberto can play in midfield even more regularly. Oh, and almost forgot Alena, who is even more vital to get many more minutes next season, if we want him to continue improving and eventually possibly developing into starter material for us.

And most importantly, we need all these players to be equal in the eyes of our manager, so their minutes are all fairly divided on the pitch, no special treatment. And that will never happen as long as EV's wife keeps hogging all the minutes himself. Even Busquets needs to be rotated regularly starting next season, much less Rakitic, who isn't nearly as important and influental for our club as Busquets is, being a home grown player and the only remaining member of our golden generation alongside Pique and Messi, so I don't see us selling him.

So selling Rakitic is a MUST this summer, no matter what Valverde says. If he doesn't like it, he can leave too (he won't be here fore more than the next 2 years anyway). So we might as well sell Rakitic now, while he's still worth something substantial, not wait for 2021 to sell him for peanuts back to Sevilla, just so that Valverde can keep using him these remaining two years, that he'll be here for, and run him completely down to the ground, form and quality-wise, while one or even two of our great young talents like Alena, Arthur, FDJ and Puig possibly get tired of waiting for their chance of being a regular starter and leave until then.

Selling Rakitic this summer is vital, even if it costs us losing Valverde too because of it (and let's be honest, EV himself is not exactly vital, infact he is pretty expendable too, even if we do win the treble under him this year). Cause he won't be here after the new Board comes in 2021 anyway, so we really shouldn't read too much into which players he wants not sold, especially when that player himself is a 30+ year old, who is by far our most expendable midfielder right now, when you look at his age and what he brings to this team, and who will be gone in 2021 at the latest anyway, along with Valverde, who is his biggest advocate for keeping him beyond this summer.

Both Rakitic and Valverde are expendable. In any case, we need to break this pair asap, if we want all of our midfielders being treated somehow fairly and equally regarding their minutes, starting next season. Obviously selling Rakitic and Valverde being so pissed that he would go himself too is the dream, but i'm content with us just selling Rakitic at this point, and Valverde staying until his contract is up and with it this Board too anyway.
 

underoath

Banned
I didn't appreciate his performance.
With the ball, he is not a skilled creator, is not the special element who will help you deal against klopp pressure.
Off the ball, he was responsible of two big chances for Liverpool: the chance when Salah hit the post (bad clearance from Raki) + the chance of Milner saved by Stegen (Raki didn't track back quickly when Milner went to the box).
Edit: it seems that he was the player who saved the ball at the line in the same action too. At least, he made the effort, not bad, lol.

Are you sure that you watched the game ? :lol:
Actually don't see anyone from Barca played horrible, some are not exeptiona but far from horrible
 

Judoman

Senior Member
[MENTION=19693]gregorrin10[/MENTION]

Dude, you could have written all your thoughts in 2 sentences.

I agree, that it s a good idea to sell Raki now. But i don t agree that it s vital.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
So selling Rakitic is a MUST this summer, no matter what Valverde says.

Number of matches for Barca in the last 5 seasons:
Rakitic 264
Messi 258
Busquets 248
Suarez 246
Pique 228
Alba 226
Mats 189

Rakitic: played for 5 years here, zero rest, plays for NT team every summer without any rest.
Inspite of his body being totally physically drained and his mind also: how many times does he make horrible brainfarts in key matches?

Also, inspite of playing the highest number of matches for Barca (and NT team) in the last 5 years, his longest injury in 5 years here was:
13 days, calf injury in 2015.

Even funnier: he played the last 24 Months without any rest (105 matches for Barca and 15 matches for Croatia, around 120 matches in 2 years, probably a player with the highest number of matches played in the world) and yet, this season, he suffered only 2 injuries even though he didn't have any rest in a summer:
November 2018: 10 days, thigh muscle strain
April 2019: 3 days, fever

A guy is never injured, never causing problems in a locker room, teammates love him, he does a dirty job of babysitting for everyone, he is loved by every single coach (Lucho, EV, all Croatian NT coaches, and not a single coach is ever starting a match without him) and he is a big part of a team that has just won 4 La Ligas in 5 seasons.

Yet, you say that selling him is a must because of:
1. Puig, no comment
2. Alena
3. and my new favorite idea: sell Rakitic, move Roberto to midfield, so that Wague can play as a 2nd RB.

Yes, sell our the most used/reliable midfielder in the last 5 years so that Wague can get more minutes.
I mean, what can possibly go wrong (in terms of actual on-field results) with such ideas?
 
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Judoman

Senior Member
Yeah, he is the most underappreciated Barca player for sure. But for his role, i d like to see someone with more athletic ability. Faster and stronger version of him.
And a litlle more composed.
 

Hamzah

High Definition Member
Yeah, he is the most underappreciated Barca player for sure. But for his role, i d like to see someone with more athletic ability. Faster and stronger version of him.
And a litlle more composed.

There’s few guys like him in world football, this hypothetical player may not exist. Van de Beek looks interesting though but I hope he isn’t a flavour of the month player, everything at Ajax works synergistically so it’s hard to tell if he’s being inflated by ten hag, having dr Jong near him etc

Rakitic has experience, defensive skills, solid passing. I think the plan going forward with him would be to go a bit easier on him with his minutes and save him more for big games where he and his qualities shine. In the smaller liga games the “pep” style is certainly effective so playing Arthur more and giving more chances to the likes of alenya seems good going forward.

If Barca get a great price for him then sell but I’ll be honest I’m reluctant to do that because his experience and mentality can’t be bought and there are few good all round mids like him.
 
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Judoman

Senior Member
There’s few guys like him in world football, this hypothetical player may not exist. Van de Beek looks interesting though but I hope he isn’t a flavour of the month player, everything at Ajax works synergistically so it’s hard to tell if he’s being inflated by ten hag, having dr Jong near him etc

Rakitic has experience, defensive skills, solid passing. I think the plan going forward with him would be to go a bit easier on him with his minutes and save him more for big games where he and his qualities shine. In the smaller liga games the “pep” style is certainly effective so playing Arthur more and giving more chances to the likes of alenya seems good going forward.

If Barca get a great price for him then sell but I’ll be honest I’m reluctant to do that because his experience and mentality can’t be bought and there are few good all round mids like him.

I m coming from a strategic point of view. Our midfield needs more speed, since we are vulnerable to counterattack and since at least 1 mf guy has to cover for Messi. And yes i agree, he should be sold for a good price.

Busi, the other slow guy, is a legacy and he is not going anywhere. Vidal is a cheaper option.

I totally get, why we are playing this pragmatic style of football. There is no other way to win trophies with the current squad.
 

Andrew M

New member
With De Jong coming in, having 5 top class mids could be awkward. However, he should not be pushed out and only let go if it's a good offer. Were he to leave it would be with his head held high, that's for sure.
 

CatalinR10

Senior Member
Wanted Arthur to start instead of him , he wasted many offensive actions but his clearance off the line was top notch.
 

Arizona Scott

New member
I dont understand how people criticize Rakitic so much when Busquets makes more mistakes than Rakitic and in more dangerous positions. Busquets has one WC game every several. He's usually a liability vs teams with pace, not sure why Liverpool hasnt built their attack around that.

It is easy to understand, folks enjoy keeping their blinders on and are quite comfortable being hypocritical--applying different standards to their emotionally favored players over others.

I totally get, why we are playing this pragmatic style of football. There is no other way to win trophies with the current squad.

We have been involved in the highest caliber of football matches this year--and not lost a big one. One of the best goal scoring records and defensive records in major football alike. In fact we have played the highest level of football in world football this year--that goes for any club or national side. To try to replicate Pep's Barca without an in your prime Xavi, Iniesta and Busi would be a fools errand, since those individuals don't exist anywhere on the planet.

So people are going to have to accept Barca is the best team in the world but not the best Barca team ever, I am good with this and enjoying every last minute of Messi brilliance and team excellence. Or not--they can stay pissy in their unattainable, idolized, space if they so choose.
 
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