Ivan Rakitić
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George_Costanza
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Valverde will resign the next day Barca sells Rakitic. It's not happening, unfortunately.
xXKonan
Senior Member
Back during the treble season and during his second season here I had quite a bit of sympathy for him. Hard worker, seemed like a good guy and worked hard for the team despite his limitations. Since Lucho's final season here his overall standing with me declined massively.
Players get old and start to lose there legs, and it's not their fault. But it seems like his ego since Lucho's final season has gotten big and under Valverde, it has become enormous like he's some untouchable player that thinks he's some Xavi level player that cannot be benched.
He comes off as a total arrogant dude in his interviews these days. Begging for contract renewals, having the audacity to claim "De Jong isn't coming for his spot as he's different" Sure he may not be a total loud mouth like Alba and Suarez are you could easily tell that he's arrogant himself.
He just rubs people the wrong way these days.
Players get old and start to lose there legs, and it's not their fault. But it seems like his ego since Lucho's final season has gotten big and under Valverde, it has become enormous like he's some untouchable player that thinks he's some Xavi level player that cannot be benched.
He comes off as a total arrogant dude in his interviews these days. Begging for contract renewals, having the audacity to claim "De Jong isn't coming for his spot as he's different" Sure he may not be a total loud mouth like Alba and Suarez are you could easily tell that he's arrogant himself.
He just rubs people the wrong way these days.
jairzinho
Senior Member
Pretty sure all will be starters next season. That’s why they backed Valgreen.
It is the lack of respect to this club and to its fans, the lack of selflessness. Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta all took the decision to move on because at the end of the day that is the right thing to do. You don’t need someone to kick you off, you got to do what is best for the club. EV and Raki should leave this club and not wait for the memo to be delivered to them.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Revisionism.
So, let's see the facts:
1. Puyol was 36 when he ended his Barca's career.
He barely played in the last 2 seasons.
So, Puyol stopped playing due to:
1) old age (36)
2) actual inability to play due to injuries
2. Xavi was 35 and a half
He stopped playing due to:
1) old age, 35
2) not being a starter anymore
3) having extremely lucrative offer from Asia
3. Iniesta stopped playing for Barca aged 34 due to:
1) old age, 34
2) having an extremely lucrative offer from Japan worth 25M Euros per year
3) plus, Iniesta's move to Japan offered a huge boost to his family's wine industry.
So, a double financial boost for Iniesta (wages and wine).
Now, let's check the age of Rakitic and these 3 guys who "knew" when to quit:
Puyol 36
Xavi 35 and a half
Iniesta 34
Rakitic 31 and 3 Months
Let's check their status in a team when they left:
Rakitic 54 matches in the last season
Iniesta 44
Xavi 44
Puyol 12
Minutes in the last season (La Liga and a CL only):
Rakitic 3664
Iniesta 2467
Xavi 2114
Puyol 497
So:
1. Rakitic is 5 years younger than Puyol, 4 years younger than Xavi and 3 years younger than Iniesta when they have left
2. Puyol couldn't play football at all anymore
Xavi was not a starter anymore (Busi, Raki, Iniesta trio)
Iniesta was rotated in the last 3 Months after the arrival of Coutinho in Coutinho, Iniesta, Raki, Paulinho, Roberto, Gomes, Busi midfield
3. Xavi and Iniesta had even better offers from Asia
Rakitic:
1. Way younger than all of them
2. Undisputed starter under a current coach in every single big match
3. Doesn't have an offer from Asia
So, imo, you guys are romantic when you say that these guys knew when they had to leave.
They were here until a very old age.
Iniesta was bad for the last 2-3 seasons.
Xavi also.
Puyol didn't play at all in the last 2 seasons.
So, basically, other players were here until the old age, yet you are asking from Raki, aged 31:
1) leave a club
2) go to the other club and accept way lower wages
3) we want to see Frenkie-Arthur, even though Arthur probably won't play too much, lol
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Raketa10
Senior Member
What are you talking about? Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta left when they were much older than Raki. I agree he should leave but he won't leave on a lower wage for sure. Why would he do that? If the right offer comes (same wages) than it would be reasonable for him to leave but otherwise he won't.
Regarding Valverde he should be fired since THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL he'll resign. He would lose to much money in that way so "it is what it is".
In the end of the day it's Barto's fault that such a mediocre manager has such a big wage, not to mention he renewed him in January.
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BarçaBarça
New member
+ Iniesta was quite mad about not playing all the time + Xavi has said his last season was 'hard' because he didn't play. They didn't smile and accept their role, because they loved the club.
They went out at the right time, and that is much thanks to Barto for handling them perfectly with 1 season rotation before leaving (sporting-wise good for the team + branding/fanwise good to get a heartfelt farewell to club legends).
I think it is okay to romanticise, but the problem is that it is so coloured by whether you like the player or not. You like the player = complaining about playingtime/not giving up his spot in the team = admirable fighting spirit/great mentality. You don't like the player = stubborn piece of shit who has no self-awareness and is deliberately destroying our club.
Raketa10
Senior Member
Actually they can't. They already sucked during their last two seasons here. Same goes for Busi.
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BBZ8800
Senior Member
Yes.
Rabiot asking for a starting spot here=that spoiled brat has no room in our club with his demands. Gtfo!
De Ligt asking for crazy wages, 10 Million for his agent for nothing, and a starting spot=he is our future. Barto, please sign him. We are secured for the next 15 years
Rakitic earning 7,6M Net per year, being a most used midfielder here for the last 5 years, asking a higher wage=gtfo. We don't need you, you ungrateful prick, you need to know when you should leave.
How do you even dare to ask more money than 7,6M?
Frenkie not playing a single minute for Barca, gets a starting fixed wage 10M Net with 6 Millions in bonuses (twice as much as Rakitic, for example), and De Ligt asking for the same or even higher wages, Barcaforum replies:
=well, "it is what it is", we need those players badly
I mean, people are shitting on Rakitic for not wanting to leave a club, but they are fine with crazy high wages for rookies Frenkie and De Ligt, not to mention their requests for their agents.
But: one of them is not wanted here by fans, while the other two are "our future", so everything is forgotten.
And anyone wondered whether people on Barcaforum are emotional and biased towards: Barca DNA players, young players and La Masia players.
Givenchy
Senior Member
[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]
lets wait and see what happens with Frenkie.
De Ligt, if (and its looking likely) he does only want the money, hes just as bad if not worse than Rabiot - Raiola is the worst of the lot in terms of greed
as for Rakitic, hes been a great servent but respectfully, its time to leave. Valverde playing him the most doesn't mean much when you see what a biased, shit manager he is
lets wait and see what happens with Frenkie.
De Ligt, if (and its looking likely) he does only want the money, hes just as bad if not worse than Rabiot - Raiola is the worst of the lot in terms of greed
as for Rakitic, hes been a great servent but respectfully, its time to leave. Valverde playing him the most doesn't mean much when you see what a biased, shit manager he is
BBZ8800
Senior Member
You know, I have mentioned one practical rule which is almost always right, yet people here love to ignore it over and over:
1. if a player is a starter under several different coaches in a row=he must be a very good player, according to actual football coaches even though fans don't like a player
2. on the other hand, if several different coaches in a row don't rate a player as highly as fans do=a player is usually not as good as fans think
But then someone will throw: Salah and De Bruyne.
Fine, it happens once in 20 or once in 50 cases that a coach makes a mistake.
But in general, if a player doesn't play, there is usually a very strong reason for that.
You can then think about cases like:
= Semedo, not a first pick by EV. And nowhere near an NT team in Portugal.
Which is more likely: EV is an idiot or Semedo is an average-ish player?
= Malcom, not played by EV, not called by a Brasilian NT coach, no big teams after him
Which is more likely: EV is an idiot or fans are overrating Malcom?
= Dembele, not playing under EV, not playing under Deschamps who uses even midfielders as wingers instead of him.
Which is more likely: coaches are idiots or people are overrating Dembouz?
Regarding your post, a huge bias again.
Your post sounds as if Rakitic played for Barca ONLY because EV is stupid and because Rakitic is EV's favorite.
But, then you have some "funny" stats.
EV as a coach:
Rakitic 109 matches
Busquets 104 matches
Messi 104 matches
Alba 102 matches
Pique 101 matches
Suarez 100 matches
So, Rakitic is THE MOST USED player of our team since EV is a coach.
But, what is even "funnier" is:
Barca under Lucho:
Rakitic 159 matches
Messi 158 matches
Busquets 148 matches
Suarez 147 matches
Alba 128 matches
Pique 131 matches
Iniesta 123 matches
So, quite weird, isn't it?
Raki, who is a pure shit, according to 90% of posters here, was the MOST USED BARCA's PLAYER under 2 different coaches. So, our MOST USED PLAYER in the last 5 years.
So, again, you have 2 options:
1. Rakitic is actually a quite good player and possesses some virtues which ALL coaches love
2. or: Rakitic is a pure shit and BOTH Ev and Lucho are idiots and don't know anything about football (even though they won 4 La Ligas in 5 years), unlike any average poster who KNOWS that Frenkie-Arthur-Alena is the answer
Do I need to mention several different Croatia's coaches in the last 12 years, who all had a weird obsession with playing Rakitic in EVERY SINGLE game and NEVER subbing him or giving him a rest?
I mean, coaches were often resting and subbing Modric, but Rakitic=almost never.
All coaches are forcing him to die on a field and nobody wants to play without him.
That is not only EV or 2 coaches. That happened under at least 5 different coaches in a row.
Further, I have asked on several other topics, what is the solution if Rakitic leaves a club?
Frenkie-Arthur-Busi?
When you remove a bias and Barca's DNA glasses:
1. EV likes Rakitic more than Arthur
2. stats say that Rakitic was better in every single aspect of a game than Arthur in this season
3. I tried to post ratings from NEUTRAL journos from England in matches between Barca vs Man Utd, where NEUTRAL journos always gave the lowest ratings to Arthur out of 3 midfielders
So, basically, forum decided that it is time for Arthur instead of Raki, while:
1. a coach, EV don't think that way
2. stats don't think that way
3. neutral fans (who are not infected with Barca's DNA disease/bais/subjective opinion) don't think that way
The only part of fans who rate Arthur:
= Barca fans who are desperate for: young players, La Masia players or players who have Barca's DNA or resemble on someone from mighty Pep's era.
So, imagine if you were Man Utd or Liverpool's fan reading this forum.
And if you weren't biased towards Barca's DNA.
Would you go for numbers and objective factors or for a classical alibi reply: you are an idiot, you need to WATCH matches to see who is better.
Again, you would drop Raki (who is far from his prime, I agree) for a guy who is good in only 3 areas:
1. getting the ball out of our half
2. keeping possession till death without any risks
3. being press resistant
Scoring goals: zero
Assists: zero
Forward passes: almost zero
Defending: zero
Physique: zero
I mean, if we had 3 Frenkies in our team, I would say: oh, fine. We should play 3 Frenkies.
But if solutions instead of Raki is Busi who is even worse, and Arthur who is far behing him and who already have weight, stamina and pace problems aged 23, then: no thanks.
The sad truth is that even Raki, who is a limited player in a lot of aspects is still our 2nd best midfielder behind Frenkie.
So, if you want to sell Raki, you'll need 2-3 new players who are actually very, very good.
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