Ivan Rakitić

MTL_Barca

Well-known member
No player has to step down and leave for like the greater good of the club. Can't expect that, especially if the player is just 30-31 and still a starter.

What we should be able to expect is having a coach with balls though. So the seniors don't feel like they run the club and start every important game no matter how they play to later even claim their spot is "occupied" and pushing for a contract renewal to get even more overpaid and cement the starting spot even further. Xavi or Puyol didn't both just walk out of the starting 11 into retirement, they were already replaced. That has to happen first before we can talk about how players like Rakitic or Suarez would handle that situation.

But we don't see such a coach at FC Barcelona, probably because the FC Barcelona board doesn't even want a coach like that. Barto and Valverde is a match made in heaven and washed up seniors like Rakitic fit right in. They all deserve each other.

Frenkie isn't enough to fix the midfield, but i don't think it wouldn't matter anyway because Rakitic and Busi have like 10 million Ernie coins for whatever reason so whoever would get signed alongside Frenkie would probably just fight with him and not threaten one of the two veterans.
 
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BBZ8800

Senior Member
No player has to step down and leave for like the greater good of the club. Can't expect that, especially if the player is just 30-31 and still a starter.

What we should be able to expect is having a coach with balls though. So the seniors don't feel like they run the club and start every important game no matter how they play to later even claim their spot is "occupied" and pushing for a contract renewal to get even more overpaid and cement the starting spot even further. Xavi or Puyol didn't both just walk out of the starting 11 into retirement, they were already replaced. That has to happen first before we can talk about how players like Rakitic or Suarez would handle that situation.

But we don't see such a coach at FC Barcelona, probably because the FC Barcelona board doesn't even want a coach like that. Barto and Valverde is a match made in heaven and washed up seniors like Rakitic fit right in. They all deserve each other.

But when Xavi left, we already had 3 players better than him IN THAT MOMENT, in Busi, Iniesta, Raki.
If you sell Raki, who is better?
Imo, only Frenkie.
Busi is a pure shit.
Arthur is a good player only in heads of dreamy Barca fans.
Vidal is past it and can't pass the ball.
With whom will you replace Rakitic? With Arthur and Alena? Good luck with that, lol.

Oh, regarding my rule: if a several different coaches in a row ALWAYS play you, that surely can't be a coincidence.

I have found another "weird" stat:
1. Rakitic was the most used Barca's player under EV in the last 2 seasons
2. Rakitic was the most used Barca's player under Lucho in his 3 seasons
3. Rakitic is the most used Croatian player in a Croatian NT team
4. and a new fact: season 2013/14 under Unai Emery:
Rakitic 52 matches
Bacca 52 matches
Gameiro 48 matches

In minutes, 2013/14:
Rakitic 4166 (500 minutes MORE than the next most used player in a team)
Fazio 3628
Bacca 3448
Vitolo 3264
Coke 3142
Iborra 3055
Gameiro 2705

So, isn't it weird?
1. EV's most used player in a team=Rakitic
2. Lucho's most used player in a team=Rakitic
3. Emery's most used player in 2013/14 season (they won Uefa League)=Rakitic
= the most used player in his all teams in the last 6 seasons.
Teams who used him all the time won:
Sevilla: Uefa Cup
Barca: 4 La Ligas out of 5, 1 CL
Croatia: reaching NT finals with not too great team

Now, what do you think is more likely?
1) Barcaforum's biased fans (towards young players, young prospects, LA Masia players and Barca's DNA players)=are right
2) or Emery, Lucho, EV and stats=are right?

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MTL_Barca

Well-known member
Oh, regarding my rule: if a several different coaches in a row ALWAYS play you, that surely can't be a coincidence.

I have found another "weird" stat:
1. Rakitic was the most used Barca's player under EV in the last 2 seasons
2. Rakitic was the most used Barca's player under Lucho in his 3 seasons
3. Rakitic is the most used Croatian player in a Croatian NT team
4. and a new fact: season 2013/14 under Unai Emery:
Rakitic 52 matches
Bacca 52 matches
Gameiro 48 matches

In minutes, in La Liga:
Rakitic 4166
Fazio 3628
Bacca 3448
Vitolo 3264
Coke 3142
Iborra 3055
Gameiro 2705

So, isn't it weird?
1. EV's most used player in a team=Rakitic
2. Lucho's most used player in a team=Rakitic
3. Emery's most used player in 2013/14 season (they won Uefa League)=Rakitic

Now, what do you think is more likely?
1) Barcaforum's biased fans (towards young players, young prospects, LA Masia players and Barca's DNA players)=are right
2) or Emery, Lucho, EV and stats=are right?

Rakitic is the most used player in ALL teams in which he played for the last 6 seasons in a row (Emery, Lucho, EV). Not to mention World cup (playing 120 minutes all the time and being the last penalty taker) and all Croatian NT coaches.
:sherlock:

Well MAYBE because Rakitic wasn't always as bad as he is now? Yeah crazy concept i know but players don't perform exactly the same no matter how long they play.

That's the reason why Rakitic went from a great addition to being almost useless and Busi went from best DM worldwide to a liability. Same with Suarez.

The decline here is obvious but nobody at the club is gonna something about it, we all know it. Do you seriously want to defend that? A player like Rakitic has an "occupied" spot in Barca starting 11. Yeah fanatastic, GOATverde has no other choice.

With that attitude Peps squad overhaul would've NEVER happened. No matter if there was a golden generation or not, you would 100% defend Valverde for playing Yaya every single game while Busquets only gets to start 5 games per season until he's 25.

Valverde doesn't have to immediately bench Raki and Busi for Puig and Alena, but these 2 together, as never questioned starters is just horrible no matter how many minutes Rakitic played for Sevilla 5 years ago. Midfield is the biggest problem, but Valverde won't push for a change, Valverde won't be more flexible in his lineups, Valverde won't have real competition because players like Rakitic already have enough Ernie coins to start till they're 40.
 
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jamrock

Senior Member
Valverde is the type of coach where you have to take away all his bad options and maybe then you will see a small impovement in performance and right now rakitic is a bad option. Plus he is a asset we can sell so he should leave
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Well MAYBE because Rakitic wasn't always as bad as he is now? Yeah crazy concept i know but players don't perform exactly the same no matter how long they play.

That's the reason why Rakitic went from a great addition to being almost useless and Busi went from best DM worldwide to a liability. Same with Suarez.

The decline here is obvious but nobody at the club is gonna something about it, we all know it. Do you seriously want to defend that? A player like Rakitic has an "occupied" spot in Barca starting 11. Yeah fanatastic, GOATverde has no other choice.

With that attitude Peps squad overhaul would've NEVER happened. No matter if there was a golden generation or not, you would 100% defend Valverde for playing Yaya every single game while Busquets only gets to start 5 games per season until he's 25.

Valverde doesn't have to immediately bench Raki and Busi for Puig and Alena, but these 2 together, as never questioned starters is just horrible no matter how many minutes Rakitic played for Sevilla 5 years ago. Midfield is the biggest problem, but Valverde won't push for a change, Valverde won't be more flexible in his lineups, Valverde won't have real competition because players like Rakitic already have enough Ernie coins to start till they're 40.

1. I am not denying that he is not as good as before.
But, the sad truth about a Barca's current state is that even a current Raki is way better than the other options.
You know my opinion. I think that 90% of posters here live in a dreamland and Barca and Barcaforum is their safe place far from reality and where they can dream and post whatever they want:
Alena, a questionable player. At best he will probably turn into a new squad level of a player.
Riqui Puig: a guy whom no coach rates (youth NT coaches), yet Barcaforum fans think that he is the next Barca's starter, or that we should sell players Rakitic for players like Alena and Puig.
Dreamland level 20 000.
Arthur again. Stats don't like him. EV don't like him. Brasilian NT coaches don't like him that much. Neutral fans rate him way less than Barcaforum fans.
So, if you sell Raki, who will play?

2. when you are mentioning Pep (or Rijkaard), when they were doing a rehaul, they had a plan:
1) they had a few world class domestic gems. Rijkaard in Valdes, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta.
2) Pep in Messi, Iniesta, Busi.
Plus, they bought several good new players.

Today we have Alena and Puig from domestic players, compared to Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Busi.
Do I need to add a comment at that at all?
And again, domestic players back then were already better than the old players.
Busi was better than Yaya. Yaya is our weakest pivot in 2000s, so it is not as if Busi benched a prime Rijkaard.

So, one thing is making a rehaul when you have:
1) some domestic world class talents
2) and a few of world class signings

We don't have any world class La Masia talents.
And the only promising midfielder who can actually do a few DIFFERENT things on a field is Frenkie.

So, Pep and Rijkaard were doing rehaul with a clear ideas.
You would like to do a rehaul just for the sake of it.

For example, if we would buy BOTH Frenkie and Rodri/Ndombele/Van Der Beek, then you have something.
2 promising players paired with 1-2 oldies.

But imo, I have wrote several times, besides Messi, this is the weakest Barca since 2003.
Alena and Puig, no need to comment.
And Arthur is one of the most overhyped player in this century.
Malcom, the same.
Dembele, omg, no need to comment.

I have said, today every kid has the internet and access to forums, youtube, instagram.
And a hype was NEVER as big as today.
And out of any semi decent player, people and kids are doing "wonders", "the next big thing", "a player who will be here for the next 10 years", and a new level of hype "a generational talent".

And then readers start to buy the hype, since: if they are seeing so many videos of Puig doing a good pass in a 2nd division, that kid must be good, right?
I mean, imagine being Barca's fan in 1995 or 2005.
Do you think that there were youtube videos of passes and dribbles from Barca B? No
You either didn't know about any B team players or you have just heard: there is one good midfielder in a B team.
Today, you have youtube videos and articles about defenders, fullbacks, midfielders, tons of wingers.
Everything is covered. Everything looks awesome on clips, everyone is buzzing about those players, the hype is bigger every day.

And in reality, you have a bunch of overhyped players as a product of a new-internet era.
Malcom is an average player, people were yelling for 1 year on EV: why are you not playing this guy?
Yet a guy doesn't have a single obvious strength in his play.
Arthur can't do basic things which midfielders do: like shooting, scoring, assisting, dribbling, defending.
People are making: the next Xavi and one of the best young midfielders in a world out of him.
And then when someone dares to ask: guys, are you crazy and when me or someone posts some flaws from these players, you have guys like Cule4Life and Tekkers who have mentioned me like 20 000 times during 2 Months when those players didn't play bad, as some sort of revenge for trying to break their dreams.

Everything is overhyped, people are living in some kind of a balloon detached from any reality.
If you dare to say that their darlings are not good, they get mad.
If you post stats to prove them those things, they get mad and say that stats don't know shit (and a true reality is inside those dreamland balloons where they are living).

And you see, even you are buying a hype and you would do an overhaul just for a sake of it, because you were also brainwashed by a hype that we possess a mighty team in Dembele, Malcom, Semedo, Arthur, Alena and Puig, lol.
Yeah, Arsenal and Europa League level of quality.
 
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Lapi

Member
You know my opinion.

Yes. After reading back to a dozen of messages by you, it is obvious that everybody knows your opinion.
So: why do you repeat that five hundred times???

Dembele, omg, no need to comment.

If Dembele is simply an "omg" and "no need to comment" for you, and nothing else, then it becomes quite obvious you have much less talent for actually recognize talents than conjuring up highly questionable statistics.

Everything looks awesome on clips, everyone is buzzing about those players, the hype is bigger every day.

So stats are telling more than the actual, visible moves on the pitch. Wise...

Everything is overhyped, people are living in some kind of a balloon detached from any reality.

Sorry to say, but seems you most definitely belong to the category "detached from any reality".
You see, I regularly read this forum, watch the games but almost never post.
The reason why I do it now is simple: your ever repeating posts are the main reason someone (at least sometimes) need to stand up and warn about the tremendous amount of twisted BS you have been trying to - almost solely - represent.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
I mean I get the appeal of backing coaches like Simeone, Allegri, Conte, etc.

But Valverde? really? not only does he lack the tactical knowledge those guys have but he also lacks the Iron fisted approach they bring as well. What's the point of playing a tactical defensive game when you have a coach who doesn't have the personality to drill that shit and motivate players to run their socks off.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
I mean I get the appeal of backing coaches like Simeone, Allegri, Conte, etc.

But Valverde? really? not only does he lack the tactical knowledge those guys have but he also lacks the Iron fisted approach they bring as well. What's the point of playing a tactical defensive game when you have a coach who doesn't have the personality to drill that shit and motivate players to run their socks off.

Bingo! Valverde has the personality of a limp dick flopping in the wind.

I don't mind if we go a tad defensive but at least do it properly. This guy has no tactical nous and no personality. He's like a career diplomat who keeps the seniors complacent and happy.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
BBZ I can’t believe you chose to back EV after all this. Pathetic.

I am not backing EV.

I have just said:
1. EV is bad.
But not every thing which he did was bad.
2. Forum's favorites are average players. Not because of EV, but because they are average players with too many flaws.
I see replies: Dembele would fly under Klopp.
(But why on Earth would Klopp buy Dembele?)
Plus, you make it sound as if players can progress only under Pep and Klopp.
R9 was flying under Bobby Robson.
Ronaldinho was "created" in a Psg when they were a midtable team in early 2000s.
Xavi and Puyol were created under Serra Ferrer, Rexach and Antic.
Yeah, a good coach could help, but you don't want to open the doors that the last 2-3 summers we made the dumbest transfers since Gaspart's era.
Cou, Dumbele, Malcom, Semedo, Denis, Gomes, Digne, Paco, overrated Arthur.
We paid 520 millions for these guys.
Not a single of them is a starter in this moment.
3. Which lead us to a point no3.
Ev is bad, true.
Raki is bad, true.
But a current alternatives in our team are so bad, that you just have to play Raki all the time.

So, where have I defended EV?

I just don't agree with ideas that Dembele, Malcom and Semedo will turn to gems under a better coach.
EV is your last alibi guys.
When EV will be gone and these guys will be as equally as average, you know that you will have to face a harsh reality.

Our team, bar Messi, sucks so bad even though we have invested the world record amounts of money for transfer fees, wages and money for agents.
 

Lapi

Member
Ronaldinho was "created" in a Psg when they were a midtable team in early 2000s.

Wasn't it just a week ago when YOU came up with the deliverance saying that players from those "inferior" (your words) leagues can NEVER make it to La Liga???


I just don't agree with ideas that Dembele, Malcom and Semedo will turn to gems under a better coach.

How about just the opposite?
That very promising young talents - like Dembele and Semedo - become problematic under such a horrible coach like Valverde?

Facts that Dembele had never been problematic elsewhere and had never been cursed by injuries anywhere else.
Facts that Semedo was very promising and played eight times for his NT, played two games at the EC won by his team, but after he joined Barca, he lost his place and did not make the final 2018 WC squad?

When you dislike some players, "of course" you dislike "ideas" that the same ones could blossom under a different manager...
The reason behind it is fucking simple: if facts and all visibly common sense suppositions do not match your personal taste or agenda, you simply start manufacturing different facts and you keep on doing that until that tremendous amount of garbage satisfies yourself and yourself only.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Wasn't it just a week ago when YOU came up with the deliverance saying that players from those "inferior" (your words) leagues can NEVER make it to La Liga???

Do you have reading problems?

When have I said a shit like that?

I have said:
= when a player plays in an inferior league like Portugal, Brasil, Netherlands, Croatia etc, you can't judge whether he looks awesome in THAT league:
1) because he is REALLY a world class
2) or because a league is shit

In numbers:
Imagine that a quality of an average player in a Croatian 1st division is=a skill 50 (where 100 is the maximum).
And then, imagine that a quality of an average player in a French 1st Division is=a skill 65.
And then, imagine that a quality of an average player in La Liga is=a skill 80.
And then, imagine that a quality of an average player in a Champions league (or World cup knockout matches) is=a skill 90.

Now, if you have two players in a Croatian 1st division, Modric and Halilovic, BOTH of them will be the best player in that league.
But, you can't tell (from matches in a Croatian league ALONE), whether those two are a true world class players or just players who are the best in a Mickey Mouse league, but will fail against better opponents.
So, let's say that Modric's skill was 90 in a Croatian 1st division.
While Halilovic's skill was let's say 60.

So, Modric with a skill 90 was dominating opponents with a skill 50.
But ALSO, Halilovic with a skill 60 was dominating the same opponents with a skill 50.
So, if you are watching those two only in a Croatian league, it is hard to tell: HOW GOOD they actually are.

This is why you have additional factors where you can get a better insight of their true quality, and those additional factors/options are:
1. matches in Europa League, where the skill of opponents is let's say: 75
2. matches in a Champions league qualifying rounds and group stage where the skill level is: 80 or 85
3. NT matches

So, I have never said that players from a weaker league can't make it at Barca, lol.
I am from Croatia and a few guys from my country have made it in big clubs even though they came from Dinamo Zagreb, like Modric and Mandzukic, for example.
I did say, since I am watching a Croatian league since early 90s, that it is hard to judge how good a player is based on matches from a Croatian league alone.
For example, 3-4 years ago, I was fooled and I thought that a winger Pjaca will be a real deal (since he was dominating in Croatia) and that he will be good enough for teams like Juve, Bayern and similar.
But he was another example of a player with skills GOOD ENOUGH to dominate in a weak league, but not good enough skills to perform against top level opponents.

In that sense, regarding current players linked with Barca, I have said that it is very hard to judge Felix, based on his matches in Portugal.
On the other hand, matches in Europa league, Champions league, NT team can give you way more informations.
This is why majority of big clubs are not as naive as fans like you, who would buy every single hyped kid, because he played good in Portugal or France.
And why are they "letting" young talents to sign for Roma, Dortmund, Porto, Monaco.
Then big teams are judging those kids against better league opponents and in Europa League and Champions league.
And ONLY THEN big teams are usually ready to buy a player if he proves himself in bigger leagues.
It is more expensive.
But the other option is a hit and miss with a low percentage of success with buying youngsters STRAIGHT from a weaker league (when they haven't dominated in Europa league, Champions league or NT matches), like Halilovic, for example.

Oh, I remembered now.
Someone said that ALL of our youngsters have regressed under Valverde.
And I said: regressed compared to what?
And people said: Dembele played awesome in France, Malcom played awesome in France, Semedo was an awesome RB in Portugal.
Now, let's go back to numbers:
1. if Dembele played well in France, where the quality of opponents is 65.
And he is questionable in Spain, where the opponents have a skill 80.
Can you be 100% sure that he is playing BAD only because of a coach?
Or there is a chance that he is playing bad because his skill level is GOOD ENOUGH for a league like France, but is not good enough for a team like Barca?
2. the same with Malcom.
If his skill level is let's say 75, that means that he will be able to play well in France or Italy, but he will struggle at Barca, Champions league, NT teams.
Sounds familiar like in 100s of similar examples?
3. Semedo?
If a quality of Portuguese league is 60, then Semedo with skills 75 will look like a world class RB there.
But when he will come to La Liga where opponents have skill 80, or to a Champions league (or NT teams) where the opponents have a skill 90, he will look like a clueless guy who doesn't know how to make a forward pass.
Sounds familiar?

How about just the opposite?
That very promising young talents - like Dembele and Semedo - become problematic under such a horrible coach like Valverde?

Sorry to be personal, but how old are you?
I would say that between 15 and late 20s, right?
Because I can't believe that too many people older than 30, who are watching football for 15-20 years and who have seen 10s of Dembeles and Semedos could be such die-hard fans without opening the doors to an option that these guys are just not as good as you are hoping them to be.

Dembele is a talent. I agree. So what?
To make it at a club like Barca, you need way more than talent.
You need IQ, which Dembele don't posses.
You need to be a hard worker, and Dembele is the laziest and the most unprofessional member of our team.
You need to have a strong drive, motivation, desire. Dembele and these new gen of kids are getting an insane wages and they look as if they don't give a fuck and as if they are complacent after a few Months of football.
You need to stay injury free. Which sadly, Dembele can't.
You need to have a profile which fits perfectly to our team. Dembele is one of the weirdest fits for our style ever.

But he has talent. Alexis, Adama, Halilovic, Deulofeu, Bojan they all had talent.
But they lacked in 10s of other factors, the same as Dembele.
About Semedo, why even bother to argue? We went from Dani Alves to a 3rd or 4th pick from a Portuguese NT team, and you are blaming EV for Semedo's flaws, inability to pass and a snowflake mental strength?

When you dislike some players, "of course" you dislike "ideas" that the same ones could blossom under a different manager...
The reason behind it is fucking simple: if facts and all visibly common sense suppositions do not match your personal taste or agenda, you simply start manufacturing different facts and you keep on doing that until that tremendous amount of garbage satisfies yourself and yourself only.

Seriously dude, how old are you, when you have such a blind belief that everything ELSE is wrong regarding Dembouz, Semedo, Malcom and others?

Have you whitnessed with your eyes tons of other similar (and way better players who failed here in the past) like:
Geovanni Deiberson, Gerard Lopez, Fabio Rochemback, Riquelme, Simao Sabrosa, Saviola, Quaresma, Bojan, Alexis?

If you have, and you are still having a blind fate in Dembele, Malcom, Semedo, Arthur, my apologies.
If you are somewhat new to following Barca's hyped future superstars, then sit down, enjoy the ride and reply to me in a 1-2 years to see how will these 4 will develop.
If more than 1 will turn into a type of a player which majority of guys here are expecting, that will be a success like winning a lottery.

But wait and see.
Till then you can defend them as much as you want, but a truth will be shown in the end.
 
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messi2140

6racies Xavi
How many midfielders do you know that could make a pass like this?
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You need elite IQ and insane vision to make passes like that under pressure.

And only Rakitic has that ability in this barca team :cool:

I mean that would be considered a successful pass according to whoscored. #ItsAllAboutStats #NotWatchingGames

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