Jasper Cillessen
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Trickykid
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If Lucho really doesn't trust MAtS, why not just sell him instead of Bravo? I bet City would've made him the most expensive goalie in the world in a heartbeat, making it a much, much more lucrative deal to us than selling Bravo is.
BBZ8800
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If Lucho and technical staff would have total faith in Mats (in a way which our forum does), and if they are planning to rely on Mats over 38 La liga matches, 8-13 Champions league matches and supercups, then we would probably buy some 2-5M reserve older Gk who would jump in only when Mats is injured or to play some Cdr matches in preliminary rounds.
Our board and Lucho wanted 2 good Gks.
We had them for 2 years.
Gks were unhappy with playing time (especially Mats), but Lucho wasn't unhappy. He had the choice and 2 awesome Gks.
Bravo wanted to leave, he will leave now. But since we are again buying an NT starter Gk (not from Guatemala, Fiji or some poor footballing countries, but a Dutch NT GK), it just seems (at least for me, but as you can see, some other posters feel the same) that buying Cilless will produce some rotation closer to Bravo-Mats than Valdes-Pinto.
Either Lucho wants 2 NT level Gks in his team, no matter who they are, and that is just his "style".
Or Lucho is buying 2nd Gks (Bravo and now Cillessen) because for some reason he is just not convinced that Mats is an undisputed No1 guy and Lucho is not ready to put his own and Barca's destiny in Ter Stegen's hands.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Maybe Bravo wanted to leave, or suggested something like that.
Maybe Lucho wants 2 good GKs, and even if we would sell Mats, he would rotate Bravo with a new guy, and Bravo wanted 100% of playing time, so he just left, who knows?
Maybe Lucho wanted to sell Mats and keep Bravo but Robert, Barto or someone else stopped the deal and said: no, he is our future, we will try with him no matter what.
There are tons of different options.
But since we don't know what was happening, we can only make wild guesses.
About Cillessen, again he is a starting Gk from one of the best footballing countries.
He is somewhat young, and there is no way that he will come here to play 4-5 Cdr matches per year.
Our forum loves Mats and people are looking everything from his perspective (he is young, we need to give him chances, we will ruin his career etc).
But, Mats is 24 years old. He is not a German NT starter.
Cillessen is 27 years old, only 3 years older than Mats. He is a Dutch starter.
Now, since Cilless will be our player also, let's look at this from his point of view:
Would you, as a 27 years old, with 10 years of gk-career infront of you, while you are in best footballing years and on your prime, come to Fc Barcelona to be a benchwarmer for Mats and would you come here if you knew that Mats will play 38 La Liga matches per season and all key CL matches?
So, would you come here (as a Dutch NT starter) to Barca, to play 3-4-5-6 CDR matches per year (and most of those matches will be against monkey level 2nd and 3rd div level opponents)?
Add to this:
1. Lucho wanted 2 Gks and rotated them in his reign at Barca till now
2. Cillessen is not cheap at all. He will be more expensive than both Mats and Bravo (12 and 12M two years ago), right?
Prices have inflated slightly till then, but still, why would you buy 2 Gks for 12M two years ago and then rotate them for 2 years. And now, you are buying an even more expensive goalie and he is supposed to be a Cdr guy with 5 matches per season while Mats will play 50+ matches?
He will basically come here to ruin both his club and NT career (since he won't play here, and thus his form will be rusty and in the long run he will loose an NT place, plus his career will be dead in 3-4-5 years when he will leave Barca. Why on Earth would any sane person do that and come here to play 5 Cdr matches per year?)
Something is just strange.
Either Lucho again wants 2 equally good goalies.
Or we are buying the most expensive sub ever.
Look at Digne. We paid him a lot, and he surely won't play 5 Cdr matches per season. He will rotate with Alba heavily, it seems.
Umtiti. We paid him a lot. He will play a lot surely.
I don't believe that Cillessen will be the only expensive signing who won't play at all.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
Lucho is choosing Mats ahead of Bravo so he clearly trusts him.
They just want a strong back up to prevent sitatuations like being left with Pinto two seasons ago.
They just want a strong back up to prevent sitatuations like being left with Pinto two seasons ago.
God Serena
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Or we'd get a player willing to fill in whenever needed who isn't a dramatic downgrade to our starting keeper. Cillessen is a logical downgrade from Mats that is much more in line with the step down most teams have from their keepers.
Your credentials are not determined by whether or not you start for your national team. Romero has been starting for Argentina even while they were the #1 ranked NT in the world but when is the last time he's been the starter for his club?
Barca's destiny has been in Mats's hands since he got here. He's been starting in both the CL and the Copa, and we won 3/4 of those with him in the net. Mats has shown plenty to prove he's capable of handling La Liga, which actually gives much more leeway to terrible performances (If Mats concedes 4 goals without a save like Bravo did we're eliminated from the CL) than playing in the cups does, and he did it without any semblance of consistent playing time.
Messi983
Senior Member
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I don't think it's fair to compare MATS NT situation to Cillessen's. He has the best GK in the world starting before him in Germany NT, Cillesen has the likes of Krul and Stekelenburg for his competition. If Van der Sar would still be active he'd probably still start ahead of Cillessen even if he's 45 or so. That's not to say that Cillessen is not a good GK, he is. But MATS is just unlucky he's a German GK in the same generation as Neuer. Same could be said for Valdes and Casillas a few years ago. VV played on at least as high level if not better than Iker for two or three years but of course he never had a real chance to start ahead of Iker for Spain. I'm not saying that MATS is better than Neuer now but even if he becomes some day (with him improving and/or Neuer possibly declining) it would be still very hard for him to be a regular NT GK until Neuer retires. At the same time I think MATS would probably be a starter for almost any other NT except for 3 or 4 like Italy (for the next 2 years, then Buffon will probably retire), Spain (although I think he could become better than DDG some day) and yes, maybe Chile.
I don't think it's fair to compare MATS NT situation to Cillessen's. He has the best GK in the world starting before him in Germany NT, Cillesen has the likes of Krul and Stekelenburg for his competition. If Van der Sar would still be active he'd probably still start ahead of Cillessen even if he's 45 or so. That's not to say that Cillessen is not a good GK, he is. But MATS is just unlucky he's a German GK in the same generation as Neuer. Same could be said for Valdes and Casillas a few years ago. VV played on at least as high level if not better than Iker for two or three years but of course he never had a real chance to start ahead of Iker for Spain. I'm not saying that MATS is better than Neuer now but even if he becomes some day (with him improving and/or Neuer possibly declining) it would be still very hard for him to be a regular NT GK until Neuer retires. At the same time I think MATS would probably be a starter for almost any other NT except for 3 or 4 like Italy (for the next 2 years, then Buffon will probably retire), Spain (although I think he could become better than DDG some day) and yes, maybe Chile.
Pablo Escobar
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Claudio Bravo was one in a million, we ain't gonna find a GK at his level that would accept to be benched in important UCL matches or all season long in La Liga.
And in a way, I'm just happy we ain't getting Diego Alves for something like that, could've turned out tragic.
And in a way, I'm just happy we ain't getting Diego Alves for something like that, could've turned out tragic.
i_bleed_blaugrana
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evilhita666
Barçapocalypse NOW!
Do we really need this guy? Can't we just give Masip a chance and save the money?
F
Flavia
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I like Masip, but his height can be a problem in top level.
Messi983
Senior Member
Masip is 27 and he has never played a serious game in a competition higher than Segunda. It would be too big risk having him as our 2nd GK if anything happens to MATS.
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