Fofana (Chelsea FC) who is a defender gets more than Raphinha. Do you really want to convince me that Raphinha would get less at Chelsea? Knock it off, lad.
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Birdy
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Fofana gets 12.6m gross, that's less than Kounde mate
He is still seriously overpaid, and Chelsea is not an example of a good wage structure either.
The highest earners are James, Chilwel, and Fofana. That says it all
serghei
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It's obvious we can do much better when we decide which players to sign and the wages we offer to them. Birdy is generally right here with some exceptions. Liverpool is no1 here btw.
We are run like a team which is loaded, but the reality is almost contradictory. Ferran deal is a bad fuck-up in this sense. There's so many teams to sign good players from, because a good part of their financing model is through selling players.
It's counterproductive, especially when dealing with financial trouble, to sign from City, who has no incentive to sell. When you do that, you add extra risk, because you need to offer bigger money to make a player leave a better team in order to join a club that at the time it's 2-3 levels lower.
We are run like a team which is loaded, but the reality is almost contradictory. Ferran deal is a bad fuck-up in this sense. There's so many teams to sign good players from, because a good part of their financing model is through selling players.
It's counterproductive, especially when dealing with financial trouble, to sign from City, who has no incentive to sell. When you do that, you add extra risk, because you need to offer bigger money to make a player leave a better team in order to join a club that at the time it's 2-3 levels lower.
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Fofana - 12.6 mln gross
Kounde - 13.5 mln gross
The personal income tax rate in England for high incomes is 45%
Personal income tax rate in Barcelona for high income - 51% (federal rate + regional rate)
So, after tax:
Fofana - 6,930,000 million euros
Kounde - 6,174,000 million euros.
So you are wrong, Fofana gets more than Kounde.
You previously stated that Raphinha got too much, saying that at Chelsea he would have gotten 7-8 million euros. I refuted your statement using Fofana as an example.
Then you said that Chelsea are not a model either, realizing you were in an awkward situation.
Now I refuted your statement that Kounde gets more than Fofana.
Birdy, you often write very correct things and we often agree in our assessment of certain processes, but on this point you are wrong. With all due respect.
serghei
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Kounde and Raphinha had offers from Chelsea, they are not good examples imo. You have to compete at wage level with Chelsea and they are very rich and can inflate the numbers.
Both are the opposite of bums and pretty solid players that improved us.
Ferran was a bad approach and Fati was a terrible deal for a player that proved pretty much nothing.
Part of it was due to us being desperate and we happened to pick up Ferran when he was scoring for Spain and doing pretty well at City. We probably thought he was almost a sure thing but he wasn't. Part of it was bad luck, part of it was poor management for sure.
Both are the opposite of bums and pretty solid players that improved us.
Ferran was a bad approach and Fati was a terrible deal for a player that proved pretty much nothing.
Part of it was due to us being desperate and we happened to pick up Ferran when he was scoring for Spain and doing pretty well at City. We probably thought he was almost a sure thing but he wasn't. Part of it was bad luck, part of it was poor management for sure.
They also had offers from Arsenal.
Guys, okay, name your benchmark.
Let's take Arsenal. Saliba came back from loan and played the 2022-2023 season at a high level and in 2023 got a contract for 11,800,000 million euros gross until 2027 (!!!).
So Saliba got in 2023 a contract until 2027 with a salary of 11,800,000 million euros gross.
Kunde - contract until 2027 - €13,500,000 million gross.
Let's take a look at the salaries excluding taxes:
Saliba - 6,491,716 million euros
Kounde - 6,174,000 million euros
* Kounde was a high level central defender, hunted by many clubs, who is now forced to play in the right-back position.
So name your benchmark? The only club you can think of is Liverpool. But I've said it before - their wage structure is a bloody anomaly. I don't understand how they manage to sign such long contracts with negligible wages.
Again - if we take all the top clubs - Liverpool are the bloody exception.
RedxMAK
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All I have to say is, having someone known and relatively capable of running the presidency is better than having someone with no experience. I don’t think any other guy would do better than him rn.
Birdy
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It's very simple:
The expense for the club is the GROSS, not the NET
Hence for Chelsea Fofana costs LESS than Kounde costs for Barca
Chelsea are not a good model, because they are a mess in general. Evidently because their top 3 earners are 3 defenders: James, Chilwell, and Fofana.
Not because it somehow 'disproves' my point.
Arsenal raised their wages recently ONLY, and that's because they renewed several people (including Saliba), and signed top players like Rice and Havertz with top wages
Now their wage expense is 208m, while in 2022/3 it was 165m, and in 21/22 it was 143m.
You can't compare a wage structure after several renewals with a wage structure made primarily of new acquisitions. Although some renewals made by Laporta were also horrendous (Fati for example)
Same with Bayern, who have a relatively high wage expense right now, but that's after they renewed the last 4 years most of their squad
First wages given to RAphina, Kounde, Inigo, Lewa, Gundo, were scandalous.
Way above the market
serghei
Senior Member
We are not Arsenal or Liverpool in status keep that in mind also. These clubs have won a combined 2 titles in the last 35 years no?
You are off base with several of your examples. There's a discussion if we should have changed our approach to match the financial situation and the answer is probably yes, but Barcelona is looking to compete with Real Madrid, not Arsenal or Liverpool.
You are off base with several of your examples. There's a discussion if we should have changed our approach to match the financial situation and the answer is probably yes, but Barcelona is looking to compete with Real Madrid, not Arsenal or Liverpool.
Temptation
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Temptation
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Welcome back to the forum. Good to have you back here.
Birdy
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You don't get it, do you?
If Arsenal and Liverpool are lower in status than us, then it's our advantage, not disadvantage, in wage negotiations.
I have always said that Barcelona and Madrid are the most prestigious clubs worldwide for any footballer.
Pick any and his dream is to play for one of the two, if not either.
Add to that the advantage of living in the city of Barcelona
That means you don't overpay to get players, as the clown that runs the club did with Kounde Raphina Lewa Gundo etc.,
Liverpool Arsenal and others HAVE to overpay to compete with us
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Birdy
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'Thing are happening' as Gerard Romero would say
I don't like they are all joint in the movement, but it's a start
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