Joan Laporta

[JamDav1982]

We are doing more already. Barca had no business scoring 4 past Madrid and Atletico. That is the club doing more than expected.

Not relevant to the points moaned about that still stand.

Also won a cup last season and got to last 16 of CL. So to say this one has been a lot more succesful due to a couple of result doesnt wash.

Beating Real and Atletico is not all that worth it if then lose four of five home games v smaller sides. Or get put out of CL, Europa league, Spanish Cup and Super Cup early doors.

Where are the moans about Gavis 3100+ minutes? Xavi not putting his career in jeaporady etc?

Where are the moans about Busquets and should be dropping him for likes of Puig?

Same folk ignoring same things they 'whinged' about last season simply because they backed Xavi early doors and think it is losing face to moan about same things as in past.

If club cant win for 2/3 years why are they increasing age of squad and still relying on same amigos? Where is the planning for future in that?

 

[serghei]

Koeman points per game: 1.91 (while having players like Messi or Griezmann most of the time).

Xavi points per game: 2.20.

Improvement in the league.

In the CL we will see when Xavi will get a full campaign.

 

[JamDav1982]

Koeman points per game: 1.91 (while having players like Messi or Griezmann most of the time).

Xavi points per game: 2.20.

Improvement in the league.

In the CL we will see when Xavi will get a full campaign.

Again irrelevant as discussing this season and where currently are as do with every coach. More moving of goal posts.

From you who argued Messi made it harder for the other players....

Barca that season also had the most disruptive time in clubs history, barely had a pre season and had a Messi who didnt want to be be there for months.

Point stands.. things not moaned about prior to Xavi arriving and are still happening dont get moaned about simply because backed Xavi from start.

Not one peep about him running Gavi into the ground etc...strange.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Koeman points per game: 1.91 (while having players like Messi or Griezmann most of the time).

Xavi points per game: 2.20.

Improvement in the league.

In the CL we will see when Xavi will get a full campaign.

Well done. Setien had like 2.1 PPG also. Should we have kept him as manager? We are a club who has to aim for titles as well or at least challenge and we do have some good players.
Given Xavi is not helping accelerate a rebuild by playing all the old veterans and signing old players for the team like Auba/Alves/possibly Lewa etc people are gonna expect results.

The roster isn't better than Madrid's but it isn't that much worse than ones we have had in the previous years compared to Madrid at the same time*, where we started Lenglet/Semedo/Coutinho etc.

I'm OK with giving Xavi a clean slate for next season to an extent but it seems like excuses are going to be made if we do poorly next season as well.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Laporta inherited a mess that is far worse than he had thought when he campaigned to be president (he confirmed that during the interview with Esportiu) so he should be given some slack on not being able to turn around the economic mess of the club right away. It will take time.

However, again the problem is he hasn't done much this year in the office in terms of turning it around financially, all he has done is to rehash those ideas Bartomeu came up with before (in terms of selling assets), there has been nothing original from Laporta and his team so far. Driving businessmen and women away one after another doesn't help.

Fans should be patient but if he doesn't turn the economics around in a few years and is proven to have done very little or being incapable of doing much, he should be voted out.

 

[serghei]

Well done. Setien had like 2.1 PPG also. Should we have kept him as manager? We are a club who has to aim for titles as well or at least challenge and we do have some good players.
Given Xavi is not helping accelerate a rebuild by playing all the old veterans and signing old players for the team like Auba/Alves/possibly Lewa etc people are gonna expect results.

The roster isn't better than Madrid's but it isn't that much worse than ones we have had in the previous years, where we started Lenglet/Semedo/Coutinho etc.

I'm OK with giving Xavi a clean slate for next season to an extent but it seems like excuses are going to be made if we do poorly next season as well.

What on earth are you talking about? We had Messi in the prior years who was the record goalscorer in the history of La Liga. We had Suarez. Prior to that Neymar.

 

[ajnotkeith]

What on earth are you talking about? We had Messi in the prior years who was the record goalscorer in the history of La Liga. We had Suarez. Prior to that Neymar.

As Jam mentioned above you were one of the ones talking about how Messi held the team back. Correctly but don't backtrack on it because it suits your current stance.

Additionally we have LL top assister this season and Auba with the best goal/min ratio in the league but you don't count those statistics.

 

[serghei]

As Jam mentioned above you were one of the ones talking about how Messi held the team back. Correctly but don't backtrack on it because it suits your current stance.

Additionally we have LL top assister this season and Auba with the best goal/min ratio in the league but you don't count those statistics.

In CL. Not the league. In the league him and Suarez delivered the goals. Plus that the biggest issue with Messi was his greed and obscene salary.

 

[JamDav1982]

In CL. Not the league. In the league him and Suarez delivered the goals. Plus that the bigg issue with Messi was his greed and obscene salary.

Yes the league.. you used to argue how Messi made Arthur shit in the league etc as didnt move enough and had detrimental impact on midfield.

Why are you not bother about Gavi playing 3000+ minutes for Barca at 17?

If Barca cant win for 2/3 years why should folk be happy with team getting older?

 

[serghei]

I am not going to get into another time wasting discussion with you.

Current squad can't be similar to squad from 2 or 3 years ago. That is all. It's clear as day.

 

[JamDav1982]

I am not going to get into another time wasting discussion with you.

Current squad can't be similar to squad from 2 or 3 years ago. It's clear as day.

'Time wasting discussion' as know cant answer point about Gavi and his minutes as didnt moan game after game due to it being Xavi.

Who is saying anything about squad being similar? The point is you make out Messi makes team worse when at club then point to him as some kind of cheat code when suits next argument.

Dont talk shite about folk 'whinging' about the club and Xavi when so easy to prove you were as big a whinger about 'agendas' against telented players and players being desroyed at young age if over played.

I am fairly sure you predicted Barca to win the league at start of this season as well.. could be wrong.

 

[Porque]

I don't want to jump into your discussion but I think there is a difference between Gavi and Pedri minutes. Pedri looked visibly tired at the tail of last season compared to Gavi, who despite being 17 seems to have way above average fitness levels.

Pedri accumulation of minutes can be supported by his injuries this season.

Let's see if Gavi has any issues next season.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nah folk just started to moan about Pedris minutes and then decides he was tired when tailed off a bit... as whole team did.

Gavi has tailed off as well but no one is claiming same and folk were moaning about Pedris minutes long before season ended.

There is nothing to suggest Pedris injuries are due to last season any more than Gavi should get injured next season as playing those minutes when injured.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Nah folk just started to moan about Pedris minutes and then decides he was tired when tailed off a bit... as whole team did.

Gavi has tailed off as well but no one is claiming same and folk were moaning about Pedris minutes long before season ended.

There is nothing to suggest Pedris injuries are due to last season any more than Gavi should get injured next season as playing those minutes when injured.

Hey Koeman

 

[JamDav1982]

Hey Koeman

Hey hypocrite.