Jose Mourinho

[Maria]

Beast is right about the cycle being over now, as I 2013, but he has been saying the same thing for a good 3 years we have wn more than madrid or any other top team in that period.2 league,1 cl,1 cops. even a broken clock it right twice per day.
the cycle is over we must start a new one but I doubt we can do it with Tito, but one can hope

the cycle should have been over when Pep left, just like the other one finished when Rijkaard and Ronaldinho were gone..unfortunately though the president and the coach didn't want to change anything and we're at a point were we lost 7-0 in the SFs of the CL and they didn't want to admit that we have problems(like Bayern did in 2009), blaming the refs, the injuries or the fact that we conceded too many corners. So I don't think that we can start a new cycle when according to our coach there's nothing wrong with the current one and it's hard to "find players that could improve this Barca".

I thought that you understood Spanish, Maria? Defensacentral have just quoted the article AS published (I even linked to it in my post) and made a article about the approval of JM. Their page was just one of the searches that came up when using the Spanish version of Google.

I do..but I refuse to enter on that site because I don't want to catch a desease or something..

 

[Beast]

So pro-Madrid equals pro-Mourinho? The first is also quite doubtful anyway. Not every Spanish newspaper, regardless of political views, is necessarily pro-Madrid or pro-Barca. ABC is a serious newspaper.

I am not sure why I am even arguing this since it has been well-known all the time that Mourinho has been an immensely popular manager throughout his stay (if we look past the last two weeks) and several polls have confirmed that time and time again. I am not going to discuss semantics. The indisputable point is, that no other manager than Mourinho has had such a big support since Del Bosque.

Here you have it from AS this time. From the middle of March this very year.

http://www.defensacentral.com/real_...d-encuesta-mourinho-apoyo-socios-mayoritario/

http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/03/15/primera/1363314024_375362.html



From the first link from defensacentral.com:



The numbers might not be exact and we will never know the real numbers since it is impossible to even ask all the socios, the local Spanish madridistas or let alone all the world's madridistas.

What should be clear for all though is that Mourinho has enjoyed a bigger support throughout his stay than opposition and that no other manager has been as popular as Mourinho since the days of Del Bosque.

Middle of March around the biggest 8 days in our season (two Clasico and United games ) which i concurred and all ended in a triumph and even than he didn't come close the 91 %!! this ABC stats is fictional

Poll must have number of people who participated and all the required data.. if you go to a pro-Mou website and took a sample poll what will the results be ?

you got my dig ?

ABC poll mention nothing but a vague 91 % of what ? of how many socio's ? average age ? etc

 

[DucdeOrléans]

the cycle should have been over when Pep left, just like the other one finished when Rijkaard and Ronaldinho were gone..unfortunately though the president and the coach didn't want to change anything and we're at a point were we lost 7-0 in the SFs of the CL and they didn't want to admit that we have problems(like Bayern did in 2009), blaming the refs, the injuries or the fact that we conceded too many corners. So I don't think that we can start a new cycle when according to our coach there's nothing wrong with the current one and it's hard to "find players that could improve this Barca".



I do..but I refuse to enter on that site because I don't want to catch a desease or something..

Exactly. Hence why we as barcelonistas should worry about our transitional period rather than laughing at RM. There is plenty to worry about and plenty of uncertainties that should worry most fans. Regardless of our past successes or this season's league title.

 

[DucdeOrléans]

Middle of March around the biggest 8 days in our season (two Clasico and United games ) which i concurred and all ended in a triumph and even than he didn't come close the 91 %!! this ABC stats is fictional

Poll must have number of people who participated and all the required data.. if you go to a pro-Mou website and took a sample poll what will the results be ?

you got my dig ?

ABC poll mention nothing but a vague 91 % of what ? of how many socio's ? average age ? etc

See one of my previous posts, Beast.

So pro-Madrid equals pro-Mourinho? The first is also quite doubtful anyway. Not every Spanish newspaper, regardless of political views, is necessarily pro-Madrid or pro-Barca. ABC is a serious newspaper.

I am not sure why I am even arguing this since it has been well-known all the time that Mourinho has been an immensely popular manager throughout his stay (if we look past the last two weeks) and several polls have confirmed that time and time again. I am not going to discuss semantics. The indisputable point is, that no other manager than Mourinho has had such a big support since Del Bosque.

Here you have it from AS this time. From the middle of March this very year.

http://www.defensacentral.com/real_...d-encuesta-mourinho-apoyo-socios-mayoritario/

http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/03/15/primera/1363314024_375362.html

"Un 89,7% de los socios desea que José Mourinho siga"

From the first link from defensacentral.com:

"Un vínculo que el club blanco intentará mantener a final de temporada a tenor de la opinión que los socios han dado en una encuesta realizada por el club. Un 89'7% de los socios (en una encuesta realizada a más de 3.000) considera que Mou debe continuar."

The numbers might not be exact and we will never know the real numbers since it is impossible to even ask all the socios, the local Spanish madridistas or let alone all the world's madridistas.

What should be clear for all though is that Mourinho has enjoyed a bigger support throughout his stay than opposition and that no other manager has been as popular as Mourinho since the days of Del Bosque.

You can't run from that. Hence why the reaction of many Madridistas today is hilarious.

 

[Beast]

And i said i don't doubt the March poll ( i said in my first post about polls that he reached that level during our great 8 days ) as it came after beating both United & Barca .. i'm arguing against the April poll figures , results and lack of Data

 

[JonM]

Exactly. Hence why we as barcelonistas should worry about our transitional period rather than laughing at RM. There is plenty to worry about and plenty of uncertainties that should worry must fans. Regardless of our past success.

It takes 10 seconds to laugh at RM. We still have all day to worry about our transitional period. Although I'm not really sure what it's supposed to accomplish considering we're just nobodies behind computer screens.

 

[DucdeOrléans]

And i said i don't doubt the March poll ( i said in my first post about polls that he reached that level during our great 8 days ) as it came after beating both United & Barca .. i'm arguing against the April poll figures , results and lack of Data

Read the post. 3000 socios voted. That's more than enough. As I said I am not going to discuss semantics. Whether it was 90 % or 75 % or 70 %. Also you can't possibly argue against that statement of mine below:

The numbers might not be exact and we will never know the real numbers since it is impossible to even ask all the socios, the local Spanish madridistas or let alone all the world's madridistas.

What should be clear for all though is that Mourinho has enjoyed a bigger support throughout his stay than opposition and that no other manager has been as popular as Mourinho since the days of Del Bosque.

This is why the reaction of many madridistas is absolutely hilarious. I wonder what I could find if I made a little search or two after previous posts of our resident madridistas here regarding Mourinho from some time ago.

Today there is no limit to how evil and bad Mourinho is while just a few months ago most hailed him as the second coming. In fact the end of an era was widely proclaimed by most madridistas after the "league of records" last summer.

I could post videos of Roncero etc. but since most don't speak/understand Spanish it would be pointless. Anyway that's football fans and nobody was expecting anything else. I am just trying to show that Mourinho was much more popular than the opposite during his entire tenure at the club.

Maria:

Point taken. Neither me but I had to enter it for that purpose alone.

 

[Deco 20]

Maybe that poll distributed to ultras sur members? After all they've been hailing (and "heiling") in wet and dry.

 

[DucdeOrléans]

Maybe that poll distributed to ultras sur members? After all they've been hailing (and "heiling") in wet and dry.

Maybe Martians as well. The poll was conducted by 3000 anonymous socios. Not just one sole group. Apart from that there are several such polls that anybody can google. Also I am not sure what you are arguing? Do you disagree with the widely known fact that Mourinho enjoyed way more support than opposition during his entire tenure at the club, aside from the last two weeks when he has self-destructed?

If so then please provide sources that tell a different story and I will gladly look at them.

 

[Beast]

Read the post. 3000 socios voted. That's more than enough. As I said I am not going to discuss semantics. Whether it was 90 % or 75 % or 70 %. Also you can't possibly argue against that statement of mine below:



This is why the reaction of many madridistas is absolutely hilarious. I wonder what I could find if I made a little search or two after previous posts of our resident madridistas here regarding Mourinho from some time ago.

Today there is no limit to how evil and bad Mourinho is while just a few months ago most hailed him as the second coming. In fact the end of an era was widely proclaimed by most madridistas after the "league of records" last summer.

I could post videos of Roncero etc. but since most don't speak/understand Spanish it would be pointless. Anyway that's football fans and nobody was expecting anything else. I am just trying to show that Mourinho was much more popular than the opposite during his entire tenure at the club.

Maria:

Point taken. Neither me but I had to enter it for that purpose alone.

Man read again , Read what you post as well

APRIL POLL IN ABC DOESN'T MENTION ANY NUMBER OF SOCIO'S OR WHO DID THE POLL

MARCH POLL IS THE ONE WITH 3000 SOCIO'S

HE DIDN'T GET 91 % THIS SEASON AT ALL , HE WAS ONLY APPROVED DURING THE GREAT WEEK WE HAD IN MARCH WHEN WE BEAT UNITED & BARCA TWICE AND THAT'S IT

YOUR APRIL POLL IS WITHOUT ANY DATA TO VALIDATE EXCEPT THE WRITER POINT OF VIEW , POLLS (LIKE THE ONE AS DID OR MARCA BEFORE AND TWO DAYS AGO ) ALWASY SHOW THE SAMPLE AND HOW MANY SCOIO'S ETC )

is that clear now ?

 

[DucdeOrléans]

Man read again , Read what you post as well

APRIL POLL IN ABC DOESN'T MENTION ANY NUMBER OF SOCIO'S OR WHO DID THE POLL

MARCH POLL IS THE ONE WITH 3000 SOCIO'S

HE DIDN'T GET 91 % THIS SEASON AT ALL , HE WAS ONLY APPROVED DURING THE GREAT WEEK WE HAD IN MARCH WHEN WE BEAT UNITED & BARCA TWICE AND THAT'S IT

YOUR APRIL POLL IS WITHOUT ANY DATA TO VALIDATE EXCEPT THE WRITER POINT OF VIEW , POLLS (LIKE THE ONE AS DID OR MARCA BEFORE AND TWO DAYS AGO ) ALWASY SHOW THE SAMPLE AND HOW MANY SCOIO'S ETC )

is that clear now ?

No, I did not say that the ABC poll mentioned the number of socios that where asked but it did confirm the wide support that other polls also have confirmed, such as the one with the 3000 socios who where asked.

Watch the clip I linked to from the general assembly as well.

I will try for a third time since I already told that I have no intention to discuss semantics or the precise percentage which will never be known, and ask you whether you agree with this below or not.

The numbers might not be exact and we will never know the real numbers since it is impossible to even ask all the socios, the local Spanish madridistas or let alone all the world's madridistas.

What should be clear for all though is that Mourinho has enjoyed a bigger support throughout his stay than opposition and that no other manager has been as popular as Mourinho since the days of Del Bosque.

Also please show us any poll whatsoever, apart from the last 2 weeks where Mourinho has been on a self-destructive mode, that even remotely points to him being opposed by the majority of RM fans rather than supported.

The reality is that he has been widely supported (enjoyed majority support) during his entire 3 year old tenure as RM manager. Apart from the last two weeks. Also before he was even appointed there was immense support for his appointment in every poll conducted.

Anyway the discussion is turning into a circular argument so I will politely leave and step back from a fairly interesting debate.

Cheers.

 

[Deco 20]

I'm not saying most madridistas were against him but there's no way he never got less than 89% support. There's been tons of reports of madridistas, and the Bernabeu, being divided about him.

 

[Corb]

Polls in newspaper are everything but reliable. Everybody can vote, even Barça fans.

 

[DucdeOrléans]

I'm not saying most madridistas were against him but there's no way he never got less than 89% support. There's been tons of reports of madridistas, and the Bernabeu, being divided about him.

The lowest approval was apparently 86 % and that was back in December 2012 when he benched Casillas against Málaga. See the quotation I posted in one of my previous posts. I did not make the polls and I am just writing what I see. So you are discussing semantics which was not my point. My point was solely to show that the vast majority of madridistas have been behind JM, rather than the opposite, during his entire 3 year old tenure at the club, if we look past the last two weeks where he has been on a self-destructive mission. Even before his appointment there was immense approval of him in every poll.

Polls in newspaper are everything but reliable. Everybody can vote, even Barça fans.

We all know that Corb but the polls I posted where not the usual polls you see on Marca, AS, EMD or Sport. 3000 RM socios (owners of RM and local fans) where asked and it showed a approval of 90 %.

 

[Deco 20]

Ofcourse there was a support of him, he was their "crack" signing, their "saviour". They had to cling to his reputation in order to conjure some cojones. They were desperate for a hero.

http://www.lne.es/deportes/2012/01/...publico-por-julian-garcia-candau/1189201.html
http://www.theballisflat.info/2012/...rnabeu-divided.html?showComment=1355064698000