Jose Mourinho

[DucdeOrléans]

No, he isn't. Quite the contrary..






Wow..

Mou:
"Y quiero dirigirme al madridismo para disculparme ante él, y solo ante el madridismo, por mi actitud en el último partido. Algunos están más adaptados que yo a la hipocresía del fútbol, lo hacen con la cara escondida, con la boca tapada y en lo más profundo de los túneles".

"Yo no aprendo a ser hipócrita. Ni aprendo ni quiero", sentencia Mourinho.


If Pito didn't said anything since then, it must mean that Mou was right..and yes, stuff like this happen during very heated moment. strange that it mostly happens to persons like Mou, Pepe or Luis Suarez though..



That's an odd thing to say about someone that broght the Special Semifinal One to RM and let him do whatever he wants..but then again you say that Mou failed in Spain because of the culture(and Casillas) and then you want him at Barca, where he will find the same culture and Iker's best friend.

Also Mou said that he Perez is an amazing president: "Tengo un presidente fantástico, con una gran inteligencia, y al que además me une una gran amistad. Y tengo también un director general que trabaja para el club 24 horas al día, por lo que siento que mi motivación es enorme y mi madridismo mucho más grande que el de algunos pseudomadridistas". And remember, mou always says the truth, unlike Casillas who hides after his girlfriend.

How do you know that? Alonso and Xavi are teammates for Spain and have talked warmly about each other many times. They might not be best friends (LOL) but I do not believe that they "hate or dislike each other". It certainly does not look like hate if you look at this quote below:

In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen — the most complete — is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything. He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away. If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more.

What is wrong with that quote? Mourinho is employed by RM and should be held responsible by them before anyone else. Just like every other manager. Also, as I stated earlier, both Tito and Mourinho had a talk in private and the issue was resolved. Tito clarified that many times. Even in public. Anyway what has this to do with anything? Maradona, Cantona etc. are still great players despite committing many more mistakes and much more grave mistakes for that matter. This is football and not diplomacy. If you want to look at "saint like figures" then I am afraid that football is not for you. Pep had his moments too, you know.

Also you must have learnt that one should not take everything Mourinho says to the press at face value. I can't believe that it is a surprise for anybody. The recent comments should illustrate that even more clearly.

Wait a second. Find anyone here who hailed the eye poke? If not then don't start false rumors. Tito slapping Mourinho is neither something anyone should praise.

You can't mention any other similar incident as that with Tito where Mourinho was involved. What has Pepe and Suárez to do with anything? Also don't compare the most successful manager in the last decade who have been successful everywhere he has been with those two players and their credentials or rather lack thereof.

As stated earlier then Pérez was the president for 7 years before he appointed JM. If you notice my earlier posts and those of Beast you would notice that the majority of the criticism toward Pérez was in relation to his first tenure as president and moreover an overall assessment.

No, never said that Mourinho failed. Wrong again. I said he failed with changing the institutional dynamics at the club.

If Mourinho moved to FCB (he would be an improvement to Tito that's for sure) then he would not face the same environment nor culture. The days of Gaspart are long gone. Moreover Mourinho has already been employed by the club once, for years actually, and helped the team to win trophies.

What did you expect him to say? To criticize the president that pays him? Once again those are Mourinho quotes which should never be taken at face value. Nor everything that is being said to the media. What goes around behind locked doors is something entirely different most of the time.

Why the sudden need to defend RM and Casillas?

Anyway I like Mourinho and I have stated the reasons for that. I don't care whether anyone likes that fact or not. If you want to take the side of RM and Casillas in this then be my guest.

http://www.elalmeria.es/article/dep...ada/jugador/se/tira/suelo/lo/siemprequot.html

http://www.centraldeportiva.com/fut_inter/detalle/"Casillas,+vete+ya",+gritan+en+el+Bernabéu-67457

 

[Maria]

How do you know that? Alonso and Xavi are teammates for Spain and have talked warmly about each other many times. They might not be best friends (LOL) but I do not believe that they "hate or dislike each other".

this is well known is Spain..and for someone that watches Futboleros, I can't believe that you don't know.
And you're giving me this example and I could put all the statements that Barca's players made about Mou in the last year to prove to you why he wouldn't be welcomed at Barca, but I'm sure that you're going to tell me that we shouldn't believe anything the players say in the press. I could also say that only 3% of cules wanted Pep in 2008 or that I hadn't defended RM or Casillas, but I think Raed explained this whole situations better than I could, so I'm just going to stop here.

http://www.centraldeportiva.com/fut_inter/detalle/"Casillas,+vete+ya",+gritan+en+el+Bernabéu-67457

And another nice song that was heard when RM played against Sevilla:
"Hola fondo norte
Hola fondo sur
Puta Barca hay que decir hasta la hora de morir"

Not to mention this: http://www.supersport.com/football/spain/news/130505/Whistles_for_Mou_cheers_for_Casillas

 

[DucdeOrléans]

And another nice song that was heard when RM played against Sevilla:
"Hola fondo norte
Hola fondo sur
Puta Barca hay que decir hasta la hora de morir"

LOL. What are you trying to prove? That is football. It does not change the fact that the vast majority of Madridistas, just 1.5 month ago where overwhelmingly behind Mourinho. Just as he has been the most popular manager since Del Bsoque. Several polls proved that time and time again. Not going to bother searching for them but you can make a search or two yourself.

Anyway it took me a few seconds to find a link. From late April this year.

http://www.abc.es/realmadrid/notici...rentino-encuesta-realmadrid-201304201249.html

The title of the article:

El 91 por ciento de los socios del Madrid desea que Mourinho siga.

"91 percent of all socios (owners of RM) want Mourinho to stay."

22th of April 2013.

I suggest you should watch a game or two at the Camp Nou. Such statements are common and part of the rivalry between the two clubs.

How quickly opinions change, ah? This forum is also a confirmation of that.

 

[DucdeOrléans]

La verdad es que el «mourinhismo» del socio ha sido siempre una consante. El momento más bajo fue cuando «solo» le apoyó el 86 por ciento de los socios, después de poner a Casillas como suplente frente al Málaga, el 22 de diciembre. El seguidor le dijo con esa posición que le quieren como técnico pero que no les gusta que toque al capitán. Los prefiere a los dos juntos en el club, no tener que elegir. Los propios socios manifestaron este anhelo de contar con los dos. Y lo mantienen.

http://www.abc.es/realmadrid/notici...rentino-encuesta-realmadrid-201304201249.html

Should say everything really.

 

[Beast]

And after his fuck up against Dortmund & his statements 65 % want him out
I don't know what is the source of ABC polls but he didn't come close to that percentage since the end of last season , we all saw through him & the failed attempts to make Perez fire him sooner so he can join another club
Funny you talk about Jose popular support this season when all of us over at the RM forum wanted him out in January winder and were discussing who is the alternative
until the winter break finished and we got stuck with him till end of season

 

[DucdeOrléans]

And after his fuck up against Dortmund & his statements 65 % want him out
I don't know what is the source of ABC polls but he didn't come close to that percentage since the end of last season , we all saw through him & the failed attempts to make Perez fire him sooner so he can join another club
Funny you talk about Jose popular support this season when all of us over at the RM forum wanted him out in January winder and were discussing who is the alternative
until the winter break finished and we got stuck with him till end of season

What? Mourinho has been the most popular manager since Del Bosque. That is indisputable.

Are you now going to argue against the socios, the actual owners of RM and the local fans?

It clearly says that his lowest approval was 86 % ("solo") and that was back in December 2012 when Casillas ended on the bench.

He had a 91 % approval among the socios at the end of April this year. Less than 3 weeks ago.

What has happened afterwards has no relevance.

ABC is a respected newspaper and among the most popular ones in Spain. They would not publish nonsense.

ABC.es, periódico digital líder en España, ofrece noticias en español sobre el país y el resto del mundo. Toda la información y servicios.

There have been many of such polls during the last 3 years. I even remember campaigns from the club of supporting Mourinho. The whole Soy de Mou campaign etc. which was immensely popular too.

http://www.soydemou.com

 

[impeh]

who do most of madrid fans want in? Ancelotti.. Rafa?

 

[Deco 20]

who do most of madrid fans want in? Ancelotti.. Rafa?

Heynckes or Klopp, according to polls

 

[Beast]

What? Mourinho has been the most popular manager since Del Bosque. That is indisputable.

Are you now going to argue against the socios, the actual owners of RM and the local fans?

It clearly says that his lowest approval was 86 % ("solo") and that was back in December 2012 when Casillas ended on the bench.

He had a 91 % approval among the socios at the end of April this year. Less than 3 weeks ago.

What has happened afterwards has no relevance.

'

I invite you to read our thread "Post Mourinho discussion "

http://www.realmadridforum.net/showthread.php?169-Post-Mourinho-era-discussions
I'm sure Bojan won't mind as i took his approval before

As for the approval rating and poll ABC provide no data on how took the poll , they just throwing random numbers here... Jose never got anywhere near this figure all season (except after the Clasico -United-Calsico week )

who do most of madrid fans want in? Ancelotti.. Rafa?

Rafa for the umpteenth time is a burned card & manager , the chances of him coaching Real is extremely slim.. he really needs to be the only available coach to be considered
his game plan , tactics & his leniency to crack under pressure is too much

Ancelotti for the past 7 years are always second worst , there is general lack of trust in his ability due to his infamous reputation of being a yes man for the presidents of his clubs (Silvio /Roman alike ) even till now last poll he got 6 % approval .. funny considering everyone will make you believe he is Perez choice for a manager purely for his great ability of dealing with multiple stars and trophies of course
If Carlo arrive you can bet your house Zidane will be his assistant otherwise he won't survive the fans rage

Fans poll indicate our ex-manager Heynkes to be the popular choice with 56 % approval followed by Klopp

 

[Deco 20]

ABC is a respected newspaper and among the most popular ones in Spain. They would not publish nonsense.

There have been many of such polls during the last 3 years. I even remember campaigns from the club of supporting Mourinho. The whole Soy de Mou campaign etc. which was immensely popular too.

http://www.soydemou.com

They're also pretty Pro-Real Madrid... Sharing the traditional values of the club (monarchism, traditionalism, money). They don't even say where that poll was from either (I'm not saying there never was one, but it's difficult to say how objective it was and how many took part as they don't mention anything about it).

 

[oz187]

You've been losing to us or unable to beat us since middle of last season man .. with Pep and with Tito & with different type of players in & out of your team it's been 8 or 9 games now with the only game you won with the supercup first leg

Last season is irrelevent, cup games are irrelevent. In the league this season the first game was a 2-2 draw with RM coming back from 2-1 to equalise. In the second game neither team really cared as Barca knew they had the league won and were more focused on the Champions League game, and Madrid won 2-1 with the help of the referee not giving a last minute penalty.

In terms of judging teams for the season, if you win the league you're a very good team(this partly depends on the quality of the league; Spain = PL > Germany > France > Portugal). If you win the Champions League you're at least a good team, maybe a very good team. If you win both, then you're a great team.

That's the difference between the two teams..we can have other players who rise up to the occasion when needed.. you rise & shine according to Messi because you changed your system to cater for him & his false no 9

We have players that can rise to the occasion, but the system is designed around Messi so that's why they don't. But it's irrelevent, Messi is a part of this team, the system is a part of this team. It's won 4 leagues and 2 Champions Leagues in 5 years so it's a great system. Messi is 25, so this will continue for the next few years. Hopefully it will be improved next season with either new arrivals or improvements in existing players. But that's a development of the existing cycle rather than the start of a new one.

Valencia and Malaga.. have you seen last night game ?

This is my point, this is an amazing Barca and Madrid. The thing is, playing at a high level is attainable for a lot of teams, playing at a high level consistently against different opposition is harder. This is where Madrid have fallen short, they stuggled at the start of the season, then had a burst of form. Can they maintain this for a whole season again?

Cristiano will turn 29, the strikers have stalled, the goalkeepers being past 30 will likely decline gradually in performance, Xabi is declining. The right-back has been a weakness for Madrid. There's a lot of things right through the entire team goalkeepers, defence, midfield and attack that need to go right for Madrid to be able to compete with this Barca in a league campaign. Barca could stick with the same squad and they'd be big favourites for La Liga next season.

It showed we are a mental or a tactic away from reaching the final (IMO )

This is where I'm happy with the 7-0 defeat. It exposed all of our weaknesses clearly. However I watched all four semis and to be honest I think RM got completely outplayed by Dortmund, they were thrashed in that first leg, it could have been seven or eight for Dortmund, and Madrid outplayed for most of the second too. There was a 10 minute burst at the start, and then the last 10 minutes were a bit frenetic. But Madrid were lucky not to have been thrashed again as Dortmund controlled the game for 60-70 minutes. The two goals mask the truth that Dortmund were superior(as they've been in all four meetings)

In terms of our campaign, we won the first 3 group games so were basically through, lost the fourth with Celtic parking the bus, but then went away to Spartak and crushed them 3-0, Last game was irrelevent. We messed up against Milan in the first leg and then had the 4-0 performance. A 2-2 away to PSG was a great Champions League result(even Pep struggled to win away games), especially considering Messi got injured and that PSG had an ridiculous offside goal and a last minute deflected goal. The second leg, no Messi and no win, but they didn't need to win, they got the result they needed. If they needed a better result they could have worked to get it, as it was they settled for achieving a 1-1. Bayern of course was a clear defeat(albeit exaggerated), but that is a good thing as it gives clarity for next season.

 

[jamrock]

Beast is right about the cycle being over now, as I 2013, but he has been saying the same thing for a good 3 years we have wn more than madrid or any other top team in that period.2 league,1 cl,1 cops. even a broken clock it right twice per day.
the cycle is over we must start a new one but I doubt we can do it with Tito, but one can hope

 

[Maria]

Defensacentral..the site where you could read that Abidal had cancer because he was dopping..

This talk about Mou at Barca reminded me of this:

 

[JonM]

Anyway I like Mourinho and I have stated the reasons for that. I don't care whether anyone likes that fact or not.

Then why do you care so much if people on here dislike him? You keep bringing up his success as a manager, yet it has nothing to do with the reasons he's so disliked. It's the childishness, the petulance, the "me me me" attitude, the endless complaints about referees, the conspiracy theories, the eye-gouge, etc. Is that not enough? You like him? Fine! There's plenty of reasons to dislike him. It doesn't take anything away from his competence as a manager.

 

[DucdeOrléans]

Defensacentral..the site where you could read that Abidal had cancer because he was dopping..

This talk about Mou at Barca reminded me of this:

I thought that you understood Spanish, Maria? Defensacentral have just quoted the article AS published (I even linked to it in my post) and made a article about the approval of JM. Their page was just one of the searches that came up when using the Spanish version of Google.

Not sure why I even bother.