Yugo Count Dante
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DucdeOrléans
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Correct. Not only that though. I am quite a mutt.
No, I don't live in either France or Italy right now (due to studies). That's correct. Not sure what that has to do with anything. Hardly a surprise that the two national football teams that I follow are France and Italy. Been that all my life as a football fan and since I joined this forum more than 3 years ago.
You are welcome to look through all of my posts if you find it that interesting.
How was the league won? Barca were beating every single team they came across. Then they faced Madrid and with Adriano playing his first game as a centreback managed a 2-2 draw. They then continued to beat every team including ending the year thrashing Atletico 4-1 and continued on and dominated Malaga away going up 3-0 before Malaga got a late consolation goal. This is an Atletico that had won the Europa and thrashed Chelsea 4-0 and a Malaga that was a minute away from a Champions League semi. It also has a Valencia that got the the last 16 of the Champions League. With the most expensive team ever as their competition too, this was the greatest league victory in the history of football. Sure the level dropped in the second half of the season, but that's because they didn't give a shit because they knew they had already won it.
You make the same mistake a lot of so called Cules make. You are taking this Barcelona and even what your own Real Madrid has done recently for granted. What both teams have done these past four or five seasons is historic. La Liga has a high standard, it's just that Barca and Madrid have raised it to a new level and with Messi and Cristiano have had unprecedented and consistent goal scoring. Madrids points this season are 5 points off Man Utds winning total with a game in hand. They haven't failed, they've just gone back to a normal level. Barcelona are still at a superhuman standard in La Liga.
This talk of an end of cycle at Barca is silly. If they go on to win the next two leagues and so get a hat-trick of Titles under Tito, how could anyone say that the cycle had ended now? Especially when, the key player; Messi is only 25 and may still be entering his prime. It's Madrid that are more in serious danger of the end of a cycle as Mourinho leaves, Cristiano is getting close to 30, Xabi is aging, Iker has his issues now.
XaviMessiGirl
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It doesn't, I mean as an American I have no room to talk about supporting local clubs anyway, I was just curious. And I took what you said on the last page about me supporting three clubs as taking a shot at me, maybe you didn't mean it that way though. Admittedly I've been getting easily wound up lately.
Kerrybai
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Beast;1010041 [B said:
Yes I do agree but not to the same extent. The CL is a competition where you need to play 5-6 good games to win. A knock-out competition with so little games shouldn't be the ultimate measure of a club. 2-3 injuries and suddenly it's all over, but yes it is more sensible to measure yourself against the top clubs.
Anyway the only issue I had with what you said was about the way in which we won the league. From your point of view it was a case of Madrid throwing it away, from my point of view it's a case of one team been more consistent than the other, beating all the medium sized teams and grinding out victories that we let slip last year. Winning the league is all about consistency which is what you guys had over us last season.
Anyway nice talking toy you :beer2:
Beast
The Observer
You've been losing to us or unable to beat us since middle of last season man .. with Pep and with Tito & with different type of players in & out of your team it's been 8 or 9 games now with the only game you won with the supercup first leg
Cristiano is 28 still 2 years till he is 30 and we think about selling him this summer moreover we do have other alternative who can score , given THIS YEAR they are off form but the years before we had Cristiano plus 20 + strikers and we are still looking to renew that side of our game this summer with Higuain probable departure and the arrival of another striker
While you rely solely on Messi for the past 2 + years , while if you take out the self inflicting crash this year and the two strikers off field and off form issues you will see that while Ronaldo scored 60 goals last season , Benzema came second with 32 goals with Higuain 26 .. our 4th top striker Callejon was 2 goals away from your best second striker Cesc & Alexis who both scored 15 goals last season (Callejon scored 13 goals last season )
Even this year our 3rd highest striker (Higuain ) still scored more than your second best Villa
That's the difference between the two teams..we can have other players who rise up to the occasion when needed.. you rise & shine according to Messi because you changed your system to cater for him & his false no 9
As for Xabi & Iker... since when do keepers end their career in their early 30's ? we do have two excellent keepers in Iker & Diego .. you don't as even your no 1 is leaving...
Xabi is a big issue he will be missed big time as much as Xavi when he retires and we have one year before he go back to Sociedad to replace him but i'm not that worried whether with Modric or some new player who will replace him.. defense already solid with Varane and the return of Carvajal on the rb from his time in Leverkusen
Midfield fine except for Xabi and he is still here next season and the attack should witness some changes , new blood replacing one of the strikers and maybe (and i hope we do ) selling CR for Bale
As for the liga the gap is huge unless you decide to really screw up (like Real this season ) you will walk out the league so yeah bravo on Beating Atletico Madrid 4-1 the same team who didn't manage to Beat Real since 1999 home or away even we played screw ups fortnight ago they still beat them away 2-1
Valencia and Malaga.. have you seen last night game ?
It's in Europe where you are measured not in la liga a sad truth but Real & Barca beating the rest is now expected , you want to see how you are doing let us see what you are doing versus more balanced team same level or stronger...winning the liga while failing to beat Real except once (despite playing us 6 times this season ) in an agg small cup (yes i call it a small insignificant even here on the forum and after we won it ) and you still lost the cup means you are not even the strongest team in la liga
Nice talking to you too man
I beg to differ , due to the competition in la liga and the rise of other teams in Europe
this year was by far the best CL in so many years we played both previous & current EPL champions , last year Bundesliga champions 4 times (the 2-0 SF was the first ever defeat for them this year in the competition ) last year & this year Dutch champions and the stubborn Galatasary
It showed we are a mental or a tactic away from reaching the final (IMO ) whoever your last 9 games resulted two wins against Spartak and Milan while a defeat from Celtic , Milan & Bayern twice and a 3 draws with Benfica and twice with PSG .. provide proof that you are going backwards when it mattered in the only European & global measurement in strength (Whether you agree or not .. CL is where you are measured )
AnfieldEd
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I think you are pushing the end of an era line a bit too much Gio. Dortmund's team will be broken up this summer and next summer, so they won't be a power like they are now.
In Italy only Juventus atm have a hope of challenging Barca.
In England Chelsea under Mourinho will. Arsenal won't. Man U under Moyes who knows and Man C under Mancini definitely won't (but under a different manager will.)
In France and Germany its only PSG and Bayern.
So really in the next 1-3 years Barca's competition for the CL will be Real, Juve, Bayern, PSG, Chelsea (under Mourinho). Perhaps in time Man U and Man C.
So I think you are overplaying in Gio tbf.
Certainly I do agree Real have equalled Barca in from the depths of 2009 and in the head to heads Real are better atm.
I also agree that Barca's strength has decreased from 08-11. Players have got older and replacements are not as good. But not so much that I would class it as an era over. Do I think their domination of europe is over? Yes. But I still think they will compete and often be in latter stages of the CL in the next 1-3 years.
In Italy only Juventus atm have a hope of challenging Barca.
In England Chelsea under Mourinho will. Arsenal won't. Man U under Moyes who knows and Man C under Mancini definitely won't (but under a different manager will.)
In France and Germany its only PSG and Bayern.
So really in the next 1-3 years Barca's competition for the CL will be Real, Juve, Bayern, PSG, Chelsea (under Mourinho). Perhaps in time Man U and Man C.
So I think you are overplaying in Gio tbf.
Certainly I do agree Real have equalled Barca in from the depths of 2009 and in the head to heads Real are better atm.
I also agree that Barca's strength has decreased from 08-11. Players have got older and replacements are not as good. But not so much that I would class it as an era over. Do I think their domination of europe is over? Yes. But I still think they will compete and often be in latter stages of the CL in the next 1-3 years.
Poor_Sunyol
In Lucho we trust!
If you do measure yourself in Europe then you have failed as a club pretty drastically for the last 12 years as you haven't won anything in Europe. Perhaps you should concentrate on La Liga more as concentrating on Europe hasn't worked. In fact you might actually win something! 4 Liga titles in 5 years. Our cycle is definitely over...
Maria
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No, he isn't. Quite the contrary..
Wow..
Mou:
"Y quiero dirigirme al madridismo para disculparme ante él, y solo ante el madridismo, por mi actitud en el último partido. Algunos están más adaptados que yo a la hipocresía del fútbol, lo hacen con la cara escondida, con la boca tapada y en lo más profundo de los túneles".
"Yo no aprendo a ser hipócrita. Ni aprendo ni quiero", sentencia Mourinho.
If Pito didn't said anything since then, it must mean that Mou was right..and yes, stuff like this happen during very heated moment. strange that it mostly happens to persons like Mou, Pepe or Luis Suarez though..
That's an odd thing to say about someone that broght the Special Semifinal One to RM and let him do whatever he wants..but then again you say that Mou failed in Spain because of the culture(and Casillas) and then you want him at Barca, where he will find the same culture and Iker's best friend.
Also Mou said that he Perez is an amazing president: "Tengo un presidente fantástico, con una gran inteligencia, y al que además me une una gran amistad. Y tengo también un director general que trabaja para el club 24 horas al día, por lo que siento que mi motivación es enorme y mi madridismo mucho más grande que el de algunos pseudomadridistas". And remember, mou always says the truth, unlike Casillas who hides after his girlfriend.
Deco 20
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Translations for those that don't speak Spanish:
"I want to face the madridismo and apologize to them, and only to the madridismo, for my attitude in the last game. Some people are more adapted/suited than me towards the hypocrisy if football, they do it with their face hidden, with their mouths covered and in the largest depths of the tunnels."
"I didn't learn to be a hypocrite. I didn't learn nor do I want to", said Mourinho.
"I have a fantastic president, with a great deal of intelligence, and one who I share a great friendship with. And I also have a great Director General [Valdano?] that works for the club 24 hours/day, which is why I feel an enormous motivation and that my madridismo is much bigger/stronger than that of some pseudo-madridistas."
Maria
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The only head-to-head tie that he won against Pep's Barca..because before he beat us at Camp Nou to win a HISTORIC LEAGUE(unlike ours from this year, when after 34 rounds we only have as many points as you had last season) he also lost at Bernabeu against a team that until 10December had these results in the away games in the league: 2-2, 2-2, 1-0, 1-0, 2-2, 0-1.
Harsh, but true(most of it, anyway)..though my wake-up call was the game against you in CDR at the Camp Nou and as far as you being proven right I remember you saying before Bayern-Barca that we're going to surprise everyone and win, so I don't know how right you were..
And if we hadn't screw up even more earlier, maybe the 2006-2007 league would be ours..but then maybe Pep wouldn't had come in 2008 and we wouldn't have won 6 trophies in an year..and Mou wouldn't have arrived in 2010 and you couldn't have screw up this season.
then it's a good thing that in a league we have to play against other 18 teams..twice. Teams against which even RM had to play.
Beast
The Observer
If you do measure yourself in Europe then you have failed as a club pretty drastically for the last 12 years as you haven't won anything in Europe. Perhaps you should concentrate on La Liga more as concentrating on Europe hasn't worked. In fact you might actually win something! 4 Liga titles in 5 years. Our cycle is definitely over...
I do believe we have failed lately to get our 10th .. we are already way ahead of everyone else in la liga or did you forget ? and we won 3 CL in the last 15 years which is quite good considering you with all your might just managed 4 throughout your history
I understand where you are coming from as a cule Alex but you are still second best in la liga and a lot less in the CL ..
Now that the anti-gloating show in reply to your poor attempt is over
time to be serious again I believe we have been top 3 in the last seasons and i think we will get better with few tweaks with the average age we have we still haven't reached our peak yet and that's an important factor which i believe in all honesty is not the case with Barcelona
Well i do disagree Eddie , the era is certainly over.. those pillars of the 3 (and the last 2 )CL they won are either out in the summer (Valdes ) or getting too old to reach the same height (Alves ,Xavi , Puyol ) those are not easy to replace players.. not only they know the formation and tactics blindly , they play a huge psychological role in the team
It's not like Xavi will disappear but you cannot count on him playing 90 minutes every week as before and unless they start to PLAY IN more forwards and stop counting in Messi only i see a repeat of this year in the coming year
Also note (because i feel you are mixed up here and i sense a little projection ) the era is over is not like Liverpool now or Inter... Barca are like Real they get sick but they don't die , when i say the era is over it means they won't be 6 or 7th spot next year or playing in Europa league they will still come second or first and qualify to & from the group stage but they won't be able to compete and dazzle again unless they have a perfect transfer season and a new coach (IMO )
Juve is ready for Europe i also believe Milan are close to doing that with Mario now available for Europe and few reinforcement in the defense and striker department , PSG will continue to be there and gaining experience with a new manager
City will /should have a new manager and that change their fortunes completely , Chelsea same thing like City .. with Bayern headed by Pep and us.. that's 7 great teams and Barca ...notice i haven't even mentioned United as a lot depend on the manager but they have the squad no doubt
As for Dortmund , same thing was said when both Kagawa & Sahin left they came back stronger , until our game Dortmund was the only unbeaten team in Europe and that's a great achievement considering they met us 4 times and we managed to beat them only the last time , let's not forget that same Dortmund managed to take the league last year from Bayern too
Frankly i believe the CL will be stronger next year
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