Josep Maria Bartomeu

[DonAK]

And Bartomeu has been Sandro's right hand all these years. He has been the 1st vice-president of the club and has been involved in most if not every dealings of the club. Just because he's trying to better his reputation in an election year doesn't mean he's actually done a great job. More like damage control so he can stand a chance in summer.

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm not scoffing at anything. For Madrid to attack anything they need to have something to attack and the current board handed them everything on a platter by being complete idiots and I won't even comment on the sporting aspect of the club which has gone apeshit, in all departments and not only football related stuff.

Is it fair game the way Messi is being treated in relation to tax then as 'they have something to attack'?

Never mind that others at Madrid like Casillas and Alonso have been dealt with differently...all that is irrelevant as Messi's team has given Madrid 'reason to attack' them.

 

[Flavia]

You are not dealing in reality.

Every club in the world will take external advice all the time and those that have in past and been wrong have not been treated the way Barca have.

Do you think it is Messis fault he has been charged with tax fraud? Or should Messi and his father know the laws inside out?

They should really hire competent people. And fishy stuff is not that hard to notice, jamdav. They aren't a special kind of naive people.

 

[JamDav1982]

Who are they employing that's advising them to commit criminal activity? Are they employing hack accountants and financial advisers that cannot tell the difference between legal tax avoidance and illegal tax evasion? If they're such incompetent fools that cannot hire the right people and make the right decisions, then they are not fit to run the club.

You are assuming they have committed 'criminal activity'.

Loads of clubs and players have tried to bend rules within the law to avoid tax but Barcelona is being treated in a unique way.

 

[JamDav1982]

They should really hire competent people. And fishy stuff is not that hard to notice, jamdav. They aren't a special kind of naive people.

So should Messi and his team then. As attack on him and them is fair game according to the rules applied on here.

Again you are taking view point they have broken laws...something not yet decided.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Yes Jorge Messi is a dumbass. I would not vote for him as fcb president either

 

[DonAK]

You are not dealing in reality.

Every club in the world will take external advice all the time and those that have in past and been wrong have not been treated the way Barca have.

Do you think it is Messis fault he has been charged with tax fraud? Or should Messi and his father know the laws inside out?

Then they hire people from PwC, Deloitte, EY, KPMG etc. There's a grey area which many clubs come under, but in this case it seem like the club has stepped out of the grey area into red, and if they have employed such external advisors then that's their responsibility, because you've failed to hire the right, competent people and that's a massive responsibility for the club to function properly. If they can't get that right then it looks really bad on them.

Is it fair game the way Messi is being treated in relation to tax then as 'they have something to attack'?

Never mind that others at Madrid like Casillas and Alonso have been dealt with differently...all that is irrelevant as Messi's team has given Madrid 'reason to attack' them.

That's on Jorge Messi. He should have known better. As far as I'm concerned, the prosecution + authorities in Spain dropped the case against Lionel Messi, but got overruled by the judge.

And I also know that the club, Bartomeu and Rosell are charged for tax fraud. And like I said earlier, I'm not even counting the sporting decisions taken which has hampered the progress of FC Barcelona. Not the football part of the club. FC Barcelona.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yes Jorge Messi is a dumbass. I would not vote for him as fcb president either

Not the point was it.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

it really was. The only reason you bring Messi into this is to somehow level it with Barto.

 

[Sumlit]

You are assuming they have committed 'criminal activity'.

Loads of clubs and players have tried to bend rules within the law to avoid tax but Barcelona is being treated in a unique way.

They've been indicted for fraud, so obviously the prosecutor has enough to put them on trial.

We're also talking about an election. A candidate trying to sell himself as the best choice to run your club, but who has an open criminal fraud case, for wrongdoings committed while working previously for the club, and who might actually be found quilty and be sent to jail while being president of the club if he should win.

Sorry but Bartmeu should be disqualified from running for these election while under these circumstances. If he should win, people voting in these elections are idiots.

 

[Flavia]

So should Messi and his team then. As attack on him and them is fair game according to the rules applied on here.

Again you are taking view point they have broken laws...something not yet decided.

By they I meant everyone, including Messi.

And rosell is anything but naive. As Barto is his personal friend, hard to believe he is completely innocent here.

 

[JamDav1982]

Then they hire people from PwC, Deloitte, EY, KPMG etc. There's a grey area which many clubs come under, but in this case it seem like the club has stepped out of the grey area into red, and if they have employed such external advisors then that's their responsibility, because you've failed to hire the right, competent people and that's a massive responsibility for the club to function properly. If they can't get that right then it looks really bad on them.

Of course it is their final responsibility. If they get found guilty then thats it end of story.

But there is a big difference from taking advice from reputable financial institutions and DELIBERATELY comitting tax fraud and acting in a corrupt way as so many people oj here try to make out.

Also the other difference being other clubs have taken the wrong advice and not been treated the way Barca have been.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

Sorry but Bartmeu should be disqualified from running for these election while under these circumstances. If he should win, people voting in these elections are idiots.

But they have the right to be idiots. It's up to them.

Barto is free to run if legally able and it shouldn't be otherwise. As i said previously it's up to the socio to know better now.

 

[DonAK]

Bartomeu is his personal friend, his right hand man. He was so under Laporta's tenture when Rosell and Bartomeu were there initially and he has been so under Rosell's tenture as club president, before he eventually made his way to presidency.

And I personally(can't say for others, only my opinion) won't forget everything just because he didn't sack Luis Enrique, because we've done very well this season and because he's trying to clear up his reputation and credibility before the elections in summer.

 

[Flavia]

Of course it is their final responsibility. If they get found guilty then thats it end of story.

But there is a big difference from taking advice from reputable financial institutions and DELIBERATELY comitting tax fraud and acting in a corrupt way as so many people oj here try to make out.

Also the other difference being other clubs have taken the wrong advice and not been treated the way Barca have been.

Which clubs, when and what did they do?