Juan Manuel Mata

[Psychaz]

im still unsure whether Ibra will stay to be honest, Meh Mata, he's good but what will happen to Pedro???

 

[evilhita666]

He could be a nice alternative is Cesc doesn't come after all... But I'm still not too sure, he's a good player, no doubt, but there's something that doesn't click for me...

 

[Aryagorn]

Get Mata for that 20 and sell Jeffren to Valencia I say(with a buy-back option probably)... not to mention keep Ibra

I want us to make Valencia our affiliated club

 

[Nigel Winterburn]

Get Mata for that 20 and sell Jeffren to Valencia I say(with a buy-back option probably)... not to mention keep Ibra

I want us to make Valencia our affiliated club

valencia are the only capable club of challengint rela and barce. with barcelona buying thier best player the gap widens.

its becoming obvious la liga he heading down the scotland route. real/barce celtic/rangers - the rest before a ball is kicked admit 3rd is at most they can hope for.

mainly because real and barca negotiate your own tv deals. it needs to be like the premier league. the premier league negotiates the deal and all 20 clubs get a cut evenly.

la liga needs to negotiate the tv deals on all clubs behalf and give every club the same amount. barcelona and real madrid should get no more than the newly promoted teams.

barcelona and real madrid will propably both get more than 100 points next year in the league.

 

[iced1776]

valencia are the only capable club of challengint rela and barce. with barcelona buying thier best player the gap widens.

its becoming obvious la liga he heading down the scotland route. real/barce celtic/rangers - the rest before a ball is kicked admit 3rd is at most they can hope for.

mainly because real and barca negotiate your own tv deals. it needs to be like the premier league. the premier league negotiates the deal and all 20 clubs get a cut evenly.

la liga needs to negotiate the tv deals on all clubs behalf and give every club the same amount. barcelona and real madrid should get no more than the newly promoted teams.

barcelona and real madrid will propably both get more than 100 points next year in the league.

Oh great this argument again. EPL is equally dominated by United and Chelsea and while the race for 3-7 is closer it doesn't say anything about the overall quality of either league. People like to think that La Liga's 3-20 teams are crap but in reality the gap is caused by the incredibly quick improvement of both Barcelona and Madrid. Just three seasons ago Villareal came in second above Barcelona, and a few other teams were in contention up until the last round of the season.

 

[Aryagorn]

very much true Nigel... but when I said I want them to be affiliated to us, I only meant we provide some kind of support to them or some thing like that! When you loan/sell(with options) your players, you are indeed supporting them!!

And you are really under wrong illusion when you say Valencia is the only club that can provide competition! Sevilla and Athletico Madrid will step up huge next year!! Sevilla & Ath. are to sell their main star and with proper management they could make their team stronger!!

Oh great this argument again. EPL is equally dominated by United and Chelsea and while the race for 3-7 is closer it doesn't say anything about the overall quality of either league. People like to think that La Liga's 3-20 teams are crap but in reality the gap is caused by the incredibly quick improvement of both Barcelona and Madrid. Just three seasons ago Villareal came in second above Barcelona, and a few other teams were in contention up until the last round of the season.

just because the English tend to be hypocrite it doesn't mean we live in denial of our own setbacks iced!! It indeed is true that no in no other country the gap between 2nd team and 3rd team is as much as is in Spain(this actually is being acknowledged by both Barcelona and Real as well!) There should be measures taken in order to avoid the 2 horse race

 

[10Rivaldo]

Yes, it's greater, but that doesn't change the fact that other leagues are two horse-races as well. The point difference between the 2nd and 3rd placed teams in the Premier League this season was 10 points. While it isn't as great of a difference as in La Liga, it is great enough that it effectively alienates Arsenal from the top two teams. And note the fact that the average number of points gained by the third-placed team from the last ten seasons is 69, while Valencia earned 71 points this season. Calculate it yourself if you don't believe it. Valencia performed better than the typical third-placed Spanish team, and they would have earned a lot more points had they not basically thrown away all those matches when it was almost certain that they made the CL spot. The gap is due to Real Madrid and Barcelona improving so drastically over the last couple years, not because the quality of the league. While I agree that collective TV revenue is something that needs to be done, claims about the Premier League being competitive because of collective TV revenue is bullshit. It's competitive because it's a playground for billionaires.

 

[iced1776]

Yes, it's greater, but that doesn't change the fact that other leagues are two horse-races as well. The point difference between the 2nd and 3rd placed teams in the Premier League this season was 10 points. While it isn't as great of a difference as in La Liga, it is great enough that it effectively alienates Arsenal from the top two teams. And note the fact that the average number of points gained by the third-placed team from the last ten seasons is 69, while Valencia earned 71 points this season. Calculate it yourself if you don't believe it. Valencia performed better than the typical third-placed Spanish team, and they would have earned a lot more points had they not basically thrown away all those matches when it was almost certain that they made the CL spot. The gap is due to Real Madrid and Barcelona improving so drastically over the last couple years, not because the quality of the league. While I agree that collective TV revenue is something that needs to be done, claims about the Premier League being competitive because of collective TV revenue is bullshit. It's competitive because it's a playground for billionaires.

Yes, yes and yes. Estel I understand what you're saying but Barcelona and Madrid recognizing their own vast improvements hardly counts as a campaign to stabilize the league.

 

[Aryagorn]

Yes, yes and yes. Estel I understand what you're saying but Barcelona and Madrid recognizing their own vast improvements hardly counts as a campaign to stabilize the league.

at least they took an initiative towards it and are willing to share thei TV rights

 

[Nigel Winterburn]

Yes, it's greater, but that doesn't change the fact that other leagues are two horse-races as well. The point difference between the 2nd and 3rd placed teams in the Premier League this season was 10 points. While it isn't as great of a difference as in La Liga, it is great enough that it effectively alienates Arsenal from the top two teams. And note the fact that the average number of points gained by the third-placed team from the last ten seasons is 69, while Valencia earned 71 points this season. Calculate it yourself if you don't believe it. Valencia performed better than the typical third-placed Spanish team, and they would have earned a lot more points had they not basically thrown away all those matches when it was almost certain that they made the CL spot. The gap is due to Real Madrid and Barcelona improving so drastically over the last couple years, not because the quality of the league. While I agree that collective TV revenue is something that needs to be done, claims about the Premier League being competitive because of collective TV revenue is bullshit. It's competitive because it's a playground for billionaires.

real madrid got 96 points and didnt win the league.

in the premiership 85 points will win you the league. arsenal finished 11 points of the top whilst valencia were over 25 points behind real madrid. also we were in the race.

valencias financial problems are well known. one reason why they sold villa. no doubt valencia are a weaker team whilst barce are stronger and the gap will widen next year. could valencia of perhaps held onto him if the were in a stronger position? if they recieved more money and barcelona didnt have as much (which would be the case if money was distributed evenly) - the transfer may not have happened which would keep valencia closer to real and barce.

real madrid and barcelona have a monopoly of the league and unless changes are made real and barca will continue to get richer and pull further away form the chasing pack. ive already said i reckon you both well get over 100 points next year.

dont take this as an attack. i can simply see a serious flaw in la liga at the moment. to say there is nothing wrong with a team getting 96 points and not winning the league would be turning a blind eye.

 

[iced1776]

real madrid got 96 points and didnt win the league.

in the premiership 85 points will win you the league. arsenal finished 11 points of the top whilst valencia were over 25 points behind real madrid. also we were in the race.

valencias financial problems are well known. one reason why they sold villa. no doubt valencia are a weaker team whilst barce are stronger and the gap will widen next year. could valencia of perhaps held onto him if the were in a stronger position? if they recieved more money and barcelona didnt have as much (which would be the case if money was distributed evenly) - the transfer may not have happened which would keep valencia closer to real and barce.

real madrid and barcelona have a monopoly of the league and unless changes are made real and barca will continue to get richer and pull further away form the chasing pack. ive already said i reckon you both well get over 100 points next year.

dont take this as an attack. i can simply see a serious flaw in la liga at the moment. to say there is nothing wrong with a team getting 96 points and not winning the league would be turning a blind eye.

But what is the league supposed to do? This wasn't a gradual build up towards an unfair competition, it took a mere two seasons for La Liga to see such a severe separation between second and third spots in the table.

 

[Aryagorn]

lol Nigel, you yourself say the two teams are dominating and then you yourself say it's a monopoly

 

[10Rivaldo]

But Manchester United, Liverpool, and Arsenal have financial problems as well. The difference is that the Premier League is a playground for billionaires, and when a team goes down (ie. Liverpool), there's a team backed by a billionaire that's waiting to take that spot (ie. Spurs, Man City). Lack of collective TV rights didn't get Valencia into the shithole that they're in now, they were bound to end up like that with the way they were running things. The thing is, even if collective TV rights happens, it's not gonna change things like people are expecting it to. Spanish teams other than Real Madrid and Barcelona just don't have the power to attract top players, except Valencia, who would have been financially fucked regardless of collective TV rights, and maybe Atletico Madrid, UNLESS there's an influx of oil money in the league, which tbh I'm not sure I want that to happen. Yes, collective TV rights might make clubs like Mallorca financially healthier off the pitch, but it's not gonna do wonders on the pitch like people are expecting, the competitiveness will stay the same, and clubs like Mallorca and Valencia are frankly only in the financial positions they're in now because of their own bad choices and irresponsibilities.

I'm not against collective TV rights or anything, it's just that I think it's...dare I say...overrated.

 

[Nigel Winterburn]

But Manchester United, Liverpool, and Arsenal have financial problems as well. The difference is that the Premier League is a playground for billionaires, and when a team goes down (ie. Liverpool), there's a team backed by a billionaire that's waiting to take that spot (ie. Spurs, Man City). Lack of collective TV rights didn't get Valencia into the shithole that they're in now, they were bound to end up like that with the way they were running things. The thing is, even if collective TV rights happens, it's not gonna change things like people are expecting it to. Spanish teams other than Real Madrid and Barcelona just don't have the power to attract top players, except Valencia, who would have been financially fucked regardless of collective TV rights, and maybe Atletico Madrid, UNLESS there's an influx of oil money in the league, which tbh I'm not sure I want that to happen. Yes, collective TV rights might make clubs like Mallorca financially healthier off the pitch, but it's not gonna do wonders on the pitch like people are expecting, the competitiveness will stay the same, and clubs like Mallorca and Valencia are frankly only in the financial positions they're in now because of their own bad choices and irresponsibilities.

I'm not against collective TV rights or anything, it's just that I think it's...dare I say...overrated.

firsty arsenal are not in a financial mess. if we are the best in the world at soemthing we are the most astute financially sound club in the world with a model business plan.

also having a billionare owner wont count for anyting come 2015 when te financial fair play rules come in.

also of course barcelona and real madrids wouldnt be so far ahead if there were collecive tv deals. barcelona and real madrid wouldnt have as much money which could deny them affording a david villa or cristiano ronaldo. the other clubs get a greater amount of money and naturally can keep hold of better players through increased wages and im some occasoons wouldnt have to sell due to financial pressure.

the david villa example is perfect. with collective tv deals. barcelona would have recieved less and valencia more. now this change in hand of money could have kept villa at valencia.

 

[silky_soccer]

I love it how EPL fans comment about the competition in La Liga,

Man Utd have DOMINATED thee last 25 odd years...
Before that it was Liverpool, get a grip, who cares? just watch the football.