La Liga 2020/21

Who will win La Liga?

  • Sevilla

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  • Villarreal

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  • Real Sociedad

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  • Total voters
    70

BarcaOG

Banned
It's great for the league if Atletico win it. Too often La Liga has been a duopoly. If only Sevilla could become like AM, Spain could have similar strength at the top with EPL, which is the standard in terms of competitiveness lately.

That would be great. Valencia too. Won't happen, but something I really like about the EPL is that the odds are good on any given matchday two of the 'top 6' teams will play. There's always a good side to watch. In La Liga if Real and Barca aren't playing...meh. Atleti are good but aren't really a fun team to watch--too defensive for my taste.
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
Real isnt scoring as much as in the previous years. The only one who can score goals is Benzema.

2006: 99
2007: 99
2008: 106
2009: 105
2010: 140
2011: 164
2012: 156
2013: 156
2014: 178
2015: 140
2016: 152
2017: 156
2018: 142
2019: 100
2020: 91
 

El Gato

Villarato!
Not the right narrative. Everyone upfront that we have, but the one poor finisher (Vini) can score goals, even Vazquez as proved of late. Issue is the lack of systematic approach and lack of player growth. A guy like Asensio being 3-4th in rotation on merit is entirely the fault of the coach and other than maybe Rodrygo (who's mature but too small/young and not enough a difference maker often times but can slip through unnoticed) he needs to be our best RW.

If this constant attempt to force wide players into 4-3-3 doesn't work, I can see Zidane putting Jović back in to have us play diamond for a bit in January.
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
If this constant attempt to force wide players into 4-3-3 doesn't work, I can see Zidane putting Jović back in to have us play diamond for a bit in January.

Playing with 2 strikers is your equivalency to our 3ATB formation. We tried to fix our defense with 3 CBs, you may try to fix your attack with 2 CFs. It rarely works out and creates a ton of other problems.

No thanks to both.
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
What kind of problems are those?

Weaker midfield, weirdly positioned strikers. Weaker wings. The usual. Theres a reason pretty much no successful team plays 442 right now (or recently). Apart from Ronaldos Madrid I dont think anyone pulled it off succesfully (and you can argue whether it actually was a 442, more like a hybrid wing you give to talents like that).

Edit: For more infos about 3ATB watch Inter :lol:
 
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El Gato

Villarato!
Wasn't really bothered about 3 CB lineup.
Don't think it was a 4-4-2, or was not a flat one offensively at least. Defensively yes, because midfield stretches and fills in a 4-4-2 to cover for fullbacks who just missed a cross and then presses opponent fullback as your fullback is busy with their winger, but then it recovers from that every time. Don't understand why that would make it any weaker though. On which end? Certainly not on offense. You could argue it's weaker when playing against an organised 4-3-3 that is excellent at what they do as they'll always have numbers advantage in the middle but even then a good 4-4-2 can compete like Madrid's did. Or Atleti's from few years back, and now.

The only weaker thing theoretically is the wings offensively where fullback does just about everything and must be elite making fewest giveaways, but he has more options on each delivery too.

I really don't understand what you or Andresito for instance have against it being used the way it is now i.e. in 10% of the fixtures to find solutions when banging your head against the wall with a 4-3-3 isn't working because 90% of the team is out of form. Orthodox 4-3-3 with sodall deviation depending on select names is the worst thing you can do to a team. See Pep's blockheaded approach.

E:
Anyway, I think Madrid's current wingers being this poor against low block with so little direction from the coach and Fede/Modrić usually being the ones to break the lines calls for a 2-striker shift. We made more openings when Jović and Benzema played together. If Zidane made a habit of introducing a 2nd striker (can be Mariano as well) at 60 mins mark and letting Mendy & Carva take the sides to themselves, with maybe Odegaard at #10, it'd be infinitely easier for Madrid to break the bus down.

Problems are that Mendy isn't consistent in attack and that vets aren't invested in organising themselves in such setup with new faces. So many times Jović tries to make a run and vets don't feel like risking it. I think the one noticable time was when Benzema did a cross-field pass and Jović chested it down and Emerson(?) got sent off vs Betis tackling him. Little things like that that make a huge difference.
You could see that Madrid plays better football when it's 60-70% B team rather than the team where Ode and Odrio are slotted in. Vets are such wankers at mingling with the newbies a lot of the time and are so much more lenient of a dude like Vazquez. Unless you're smart beyond your years like Fede or Rodry, you have no chance for right direction in Madrid.
 
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mc_lovin

Senior Member
Same old lineup from Zidane. I dont believe Modric will survive this season :p Glory days are all over for Valverde as well? I know he was injured, but doesnt seem to be a first 11 player.

Wasn't really bothered about 3 CB lineup.

I know, but I like to talk about Inter ;S Otherwise I kind of agree, 442 is much more bearable than 343, but I still think there are some systematic issues.
 

El Gato

Villarato!
Same old lineup from Zidane. I dont believe Modric will survive this season :p Glory days are all over for Valverde as well? I know he was injured, but doesnt seem to be a first 11 player.

Only space for 3 midfielders (in Zidane's head, not mine) and Modrić is somewhat undroppable on this form, same with Kroos. When Luka dies physically, Fede can play.
 

Neeraj

Senior Member
Over the last few years, there isn't a team in the world that makes the simple cross and head look as simple as Madrid do. Asensio has been quality with his crossing and it seems it's not just Benzema but they are dangerous in the air with anyone running in.

Madrid looking great so far.
 

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