La Liga 2020/21

[Vilarrubi]

Dots don't indicate position from which they count the reference point to measure offside position.

Carvajal's boot is irrelevant. Far behind the Betis player

What does that even mean, reference point? Why put it anywhere near Carvajal if it’s just a “reference point”? Why not put it anywhere on the line if you’re going with that logic? Wouldn’t matter where it is according to you.

 

[El Gato]

It isn?t. If the Betis player was playing him onside there would be no reason whatsoever to show the dotted line on Carvajal, think about it. It wouldn?t matter where Carvajal was. The dotted line would be down from Betis players knee if it was him playing him onside.

Genuinely confused what your point is.
Knee is playing Benzema onside relative to line drawn parallel to pitch lines. Makes no difference where the dotted line is. Could be on top of the screen, could be on bottom, wherever. They are guides to show where is up perpendicular to line position at surface

Unless you're claiming line is not parallel and is not terminating at the position of Betis player knee. In which case I dont know how to not be rude. Look again.

 

[serghei]

Dude, the line according to which Benzema is onside is drawn incorrectly according to the ball and not even where the ball ends. There's a clear gap there.

The Betis player is not even considered. He appears to be behind Benzema.

 

[serghei]

How the hell can you present lines coming out of thin air to justify a VAR decision? There's nothing connecting the dotted line according to which Benzema is onside. Not an opponent, not the ball, it's just grass there. Hilarious .

 

[Vilarrubi]

Genuinely confused what your point is.
Knee is playing Benzema onside relative to line drawn parallel to pitch lines. Makes no difference where the dotted line is. Could be on top of the screen, could be on bottom, wherever. They are guides to show where is up perpendicular to line position at surface

Unless you're claiming line is not parallel and is not terminating at the position of Betis player knee. In which case I dont know how to not be rude. Look again.

Show me an example of where dotted line has been “wherever” on an offside call.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Genuinely confused what your point is.
Knee is playing Benzema onside relative to line drawn parallel to pitch lines. Makes no difference where the dotted line is. Could be on top of the screen, could be on bottom, wherever. They are guides to show where is up perpendicular to line position at surface

Unless you're claiming line is not parallel and is not terminating at the position of Betis player knee. In which case I dont know how to not be rude. Look again.

I can break it down slowly. If the Betis player is playing Benzema onside they would be a dotted line coming down from his knee to the ground showing that. That happens in every call, there’s 100s of images showing examples, google it. The line goes through the Betis players knee, but if you drew dotted line down you’d find it would move the line back, meaning Benz is offside. The fact that there isn’t a dotted line off his knee is VAR saying that he must be behind Benzema. They are saying that Carvajal is in front of Benz and that’s how he’s onside, that’s why the line is coming down from Carvajal, yet the dotted line is coming down from thin air in front of the ball, not his boot.

Why not put it “wherever” if its just a reference?

 

[Morten]

Dude, the line according to which Benzema is onside is drawn incorrectly according to the ball and not even where the ball ends. There's a clear gap there.

The Betis player is not even considered. He appears to be behind Benzema.

Big Benz, so good even refs cant figure him out!

Am i doing it right?

 

[serghei]

I do a better job than La Liga refs. Of course, the outcome is a bit different .

Benzema is probably offside by centimeters.

In my opinion this is very serious stuff.

 

[El Gato]

I can break it down slowly. If the Betis player is playing Benzema onside they would be a dotted line coming down from his knee to the ground showing that. That happens in every call, there’s 100s of images showing examples, google it. The line goes through the Betis players knee, but if you drew dotted line down you’d find it would move the line back, meaning Benz is offside. The fact that there isn’t a dotted line off his knee is VAR saying that he must be behind Benzema. They are saying that Carvajal is in front of Benz and that’s how he’s onside, that’s why the line is coming down from Carvajal, yet the dotted line is coming down from thin air in front of the ball, not his boot.

Why not put it “wherever” if its just a reference?

Because if they can put it somewhere they put it where needed is my understanding. Could be wrong. You routinely see only one guide in contentious situations meaning they only put it where needed to guide the viewer and otherwise leave it out when obvious.

Irrespective of that, ball is clipping the position of the line and if you draw it down from the ball line is in the same position.
Dunno where you got the Carvajal foot thing from. His foot is irrelevant. Ball would be the guide.
But it isn't because knee is pretty clearly ahead IMO

 

[serghei]

Benzema is slightly offside. Problem solved.

So basically, 2 out of 3 goals were manufactured in the VAR room again. New season, same old shit.

Normally I'd be pissed if we weren't so shit, but this stuff is now more comical. How Madrid need these things to fight this crap Barca...

 

[Birdy]

The whole dotted line problem here highlights the absurdity of how VAR interprets the offside rule.
This regulation should change from scratch.
WHY?
Because all of us can see with naked eyes that Benzema is offside on the one image, and Jesus is also offside on the other.
Why they are messing it up?
Because (dotted line or not) they consider 'parts' of the player's body as counting towards the decision. Which violates any common sense and logic.
How can a knee or a loose hand hanging in the air count towards offside decision.
There is only one thing that should count: where the center of the body is irrespective of forward or backward inclination.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Because if they can put it somewhere they put it where needed is my understanding. Could be wrong. You routinely see only one guide in contentious situations meaning they only put it where needed to guide the viewer and otherwise leave it out when obvious.

Irrespective of that, ball is clipping the position of the line and if you draw it down from the ball line is in the same position.
Dunno where you got the Carvajal foot thing from. His foot is irrelevant. Ball would be the guide.
But it isn't because knee is pretty clearly ahead IMO

See Serghei’s pic. Vertical line down from Betis player shows Benz is in front of him, that’s why that line isn’t on there.

Yeah the ball is clipping in position of the line, but that line has only been drawn because of the dotted line down and the dotted line down starts in thin air

 

[El Gato]

and Jesus is also offside on the other.

Jesus isn't part of the action and is irrelevant in the example given.

 

[serghei]

The whole dotted line problem here highlights the absurdity of how VAR interprets the offside rule.
This regulation should change from scratch.
WHY?
Because all of us can see with naked eyes that Benzema is offside on the one image, and Jesus is also offside on the other.
Why they are messing it up?
Because (dotted line or not) they consider 'parts' of the player's body as counting towards the decision. Which violates any common sense and logic.
How can a knee or a loose hand hanging in the air count towards offside decision.
There is only one thing that should count: where the center of the body is irrespective of forward or backward inclination.

The problem here is that they drew the line on the grass, because if they draw the line correctly, Benzema is off a bit.

The City image is being extra scrupulous. The image in Betis - Madrid is being a fake and manufacturing a line that should not be there by any common sense.

 

[Birdy]

Jesus isn't part of the action and is irrelevant in the example given.

Sterling is onside then.
You get the point: center of the body is what is important.
That's how 'naked eye' sees and that's how people for years have been assessing offsides