serghei
Senior Member
Yea, if anything Atletico ran them the closest 3 out of 4 times in CL.
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Yea, if anything Atletico ran them the closest 3 out of 4 times in CL.
serghei
Senior Member
They can only face Madrid one more time. If they are consistent in the other games and Madrid clown around vs the Cadiz and the Alaves' at the same rate, Atletico will be in the driving seat.
Yeah, the league is a marathon, you dont win it on the back of a few big-game results.
The league is now wide-open again, but Atletico can absolutely take this if we keep messing around against the mid-table sides.
Kul_z
Senior Member
Fucking real madrid, play like shit since start of the season, beat us at home, beat atletico now, and qualified 1. in cl group stage with 10 points. Zidane black magic at its finest, for fuck sake. I wouldnt be surprised if they go full black magic zidane mode and win cl and liga
serghei
Senior Member
El Gato
Villarato!
I have no idea. I think they just sort of coast in many many games and Simeone never learns and tends to get surprised when Madrid raise their game a bit against him whenever they're seemingly shit.
I remember several ties where Madrid were fucking useless and then Madrid Derby actually looked alright i.e. Lopetegui(?) losing 2-4 in Estonia, then going on a run of shite games, folding 0-3 to Seville and then drawing them 0-0. Same last year where Benzema was in his usual absolutely fucking shite winter form and midfielders carried our scoring in January, while Benz having not scored in 2 months then breaks his goal drought and they never peep in front of our goal.
I think results like today are just a combination of normal trends - Atleti being scared of us no matter how we play, Real knowing they can get at Atleti who play the same thing vs us all the time + you had positive factors of Ramos coming back to lead and us being on a positive swing having secured 1st place in CL for the first time under Zidane.
I don't know how much in their heads we are but it isn't normal for a team who is fucking useless upfront getting bailed out by penalties and random crosses/corners that go in (Real) literally torches a side with an excellent Joao Felix and puts two goals past them while barely conceding a chance. Even if you consider them random, which they very much were - Carva never scores and when he gets lucky it's a worldie (floating header some years back?) + winner in European Supercup vs Sevilla? - this was the worst performance by Atletico who were on an unbeaten run of 26 games in the league.
Just standard at this point to fold.
Tight games which they never won vs Real unless extenuating circumstances (Real sulking after Zidane left and Real not caring for final result in CL semi), but won vs other teams (Liverpool, Barca). It's only Real where they ever ultimately lose. And winning 1-0 or holding a better team to a draw or winning against run of play is their thing.
I genuinely don't recall a time where they were better than us in even a single half of the game. Only Supercopa 2-2 (2-4 AET, even there it could be argued they only won that on Varane blunder and fitness issues) and ICC 7-1 come to mind.
I honestly was never worried we'd lose to them as soon as we secured the top CL spot on Wednesday.
You can of course argue Real won on random chances, but they get them with such efficiency against Atleti in past 4 years that it's barely a doubt we'll not score against them one way or another.
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Barcilliant
Senior Member
Again people missing the most important factor. Mentality. Will. Belief. Whatever you want to call it. If we had half of Real Madrids mentality we would have won another 2 cl at the least.
At Real Madrid success in say Cl is not a bonus, it's fucking demanded.
Our pussy club mentality is cl is a tough competition to win, if we win its a bonus. We then proceed to overpay our entitled douches if we win it.
Madrid understand that there are many ways to win a football match and pull out all the stops to do so. That is why they can win even when playing shit. Our pussies can only pass the ball a million times back and sideways with no end product.
Also Zidane maybe an ordinary tactician but his presence, charisma and ability to stay calm lift Real. Doesn't help that Real get alot of decions in their favour too.
At Real Madrid success in say Cl is not a bonus, it's fucking demanded.
Our pussy club mentality is cl is a tough competition to win, if we win its a bonus. We then proceed to overpay our entitled douches if we win it.
Madrid understand that there are many ways to win a football match and pull out all the stops to do so. That is why they can win even when playing shit. Our pussies can only pass the ball a million times back and sideways with no end product.
Also Zidane maybe an ordinary tactician but his presence, charisma and ability to stay calm lift Real. Doesn't help that Real get alot of decions in their favour too.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
You are attributing reasons to Atletico beating Real as to virtually right them off.
It is fairly simple.. since 2016/17 season Atletico have taken more points off Real than Barca in the league.
In the Champions League finals they have lost narrowly to Real the last time being three years ago but in that time Real are beating near enough everyone in CL while Barca got beat by Atletico in CL when losing to a lot of teams at that stage.
All the Real and Barca results v Atletico have really shown is league/CL form and not Atletico being shit v Real as opposed to Barca.
What difference does the Real win on to secure top spot make to Atletico? If anything that just backs up that the deciding factor in those games have been Real and not any kind of folding from Atletico.
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El Gato
Villarato!
Yeah, more, 1 result was different, lol
Don't know why it wouldn't be their folding history vs Madrid kicking in at least equal measure. Which team that goes 26 games unbeaten plays their worst game of the year while playing clearly better than their opponents leading up to the key fixture and having just beaten Barcelona? It's not normal.
The performance trend is pretty clear for anyone who watches these H2Hs. How often do they beat us or even play superior to us for most of the game? Even when they do get a 20 minute stretch of not playing it tight vs us, they still don't manage to score. Last instance after the Carrasco goal in 15/16 CL final was when?
They're so often either content with a draw or just don't have what it takes when better + they have a history of bottling when approaching a game as a relative favourite, not just against us.
Vs Juve they won 2-0, then went 5-0 in league in goals and folded 0-3 away.
Not to mention Leipzig, having knocked out vastly better defending champs.
15/16 - beat Madrid 0-1 with first, and only, big game (unless you count Wolfsburg) Zidane lost that year after 1 month in charge; then Undecima where you could argue they had better 2nd half and still we held them off till penos
16/17 - Madrid beat them soundly away with a blinder of a game from Isco + CR; then they barely scrape a draw with a late Griezmann goal; then fold 3-0 at Bernabeu and lose on one Benzema run despite mounting a comeback
17/18 - Atleti more concerned with CL groups here I suppose in autumn since it was that shit year they got knocked out to EL so can forgive a 0-0; in spring Real is dead some 15 points behind Barca, even rotated Kovacic in, Atleti needing a win to even hope to challenge and they still don't get a result
18/19 - Real starts season like shit, beats bad Roma, then gets rinsed by Seville and Atleti don't beat us despite the 4-2 a month earlier; then Real sort them out in Feb without any issue
19/20 - another bore draw where Atleti showed nothing of note to challenge us and we weren't any good, had no left-back + first(?) Hazard start, RM did them in on penalties in Supercopa in winter, and then 1-0 at Wanda against our forwards' run of form
Even our relative spike in mood after Gladbach shouldn't have caused this kind of 2-0 where they did sodall, got one chance and Lemar put it wide, while we get a corner, Carvajal takes one random shot that goes in and that's how we win.
Such losers. It's Spurs on steroids
Don't know why it wouldn't be their folding history vs Madrid kicking in at least equal measure. Which team that goes 26 games unbeaten plays their worst game of the year while playing clearly better than their opponents leading up to the key fixture and having just beaten Barcelona? It's not normal.
The performance trend is pretty clear for anyone who watches these H2Hs. How often do they beat us or even play superior to us for most of the game? Even when they do get a 20 minute stretch of not playing it tight vs us, they still don't manage to score. Last instance after the Carrasco goal in 15/16 CL final was when?
They're so often either content with a draw or just don't have what it takes when better + they have a history of bottling when approaching a game as a relative favourite, not just against us.
Vs Juve they won 2-0, then went 5-0 in league in goals and folded 0-3 away.
Not to mention Leipzig, having knocked out vastly better defending champs.
15/16 - beat Madrid 0-1 with first, and only, big game (unless you count Wolfsburg) Zidane lost that year after 1 month in charge; then Undecima where you could argue they had better 2nd half and still we held them off till penos
16/17 - Madrid beat them soundly away with a blinder of a game from Isco + CR; then they barely scrape a draw with a late Griezmann goal; then fold 3-0 at Bernabeu and lose on one Benzema run despite mounting a comeback
17/18 - Atleti more concerned with CL groups here I suppose in autumn since it was that shit year they got knocked out to EL so can forgive a 0-0; in spring Real is dead some 15 points behind Barca, even rotated Kovacic in, Atleti needing a win to even hope to challenge and they still don't get a result
18/19 - Real starts season like shit, beats bad Roma, then gets rinsed by Seville and Atleti don't beat us despite the 4-2 a month earlier; then Real sort them out in Feb without any issue
19/20 - another bore draw where Atleti showed nothing of note to challenge us and we weren't any good, had no left-back + first(?) Hazard start, RM did them in on penalties in Supercopa in winter, and then 1-0 at Wanda against our forwards' run of form
Even our relative spike in mood after Gladbach shouldn't have caused this kind of 2-0 where they did sodall, got one chance and Lemar put it wide, while we get a corner, Carvajal takes one random shot that goes in and that's how we win.
Such losers. It's Spurs on steroids
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Top 4 is enough of a challenge for us now
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Thats the biggest problem. The team has lost their soul.
Vilarrubi
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Atletico still have a game in hand so if they win that we’d be 9 points behind them.
Alik
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True.
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