Winning it without a Valverde is very difficult, yes.
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Winning it without a Valverde is very difficult, yes.
Luftstalag14
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Do you think Raul will have a chance? I have seen some Madrid fans raving about him.
El Gato
Villarato!
There's not much to rave about IMO
He's done well enough with Castilla to extent where he'd have got them promoted if not for a stupid rule that you can lose a playoff on a draw with a side who finished higher than you in the table
Think he's also helped develop several players up to a point of Primera utility (Arribas, Marvin, Blanco), some already doing good job in Primera (Chust best defender for Cadiz) but fk knows where it'll lead.
What's encouraging is that he's not much a clapping example of professionalism like he was during playing days. He's active on touchline and imposes a fair bit of personality
Need to see how he and Alonso far in a Segunda side. I know the latter has got promoted with a B team and could generally be a better candidate.
Not sure if either would have success for us
I'd certainly be willing to gamble and see it. Anything but this dire state of things we are in now where little is achieved in terms of system and most things can be chalked up to form or mental strength of individual players
I generally think there's barely a manager that can have success with this group of people, some of whom are multi-title winners
Most literally got no pedigree or respect to bench a Kroos and look good when getting bad results with an excuse being to to try and build something
Very few people out there that can pull it off
If 2014 Klopp came into team today, he'd probably be sent packing the moment he lost a match of Europa League final calibre
He's done well enough with Castilla to extent where he'd have got them promoted if not for a stupid rule that you can lose a playoff on a draw with a side who finished higher than you in the table
Think he's also helped develop several players up to a point of Primera utility (Arribas, Marvin, Blanco), some already doing good job in Primera (Chust best defender for Cadiz) but fk knows where it'll lead.
What's encouraging is that he's not much a clapping example of professionalism like he was during playing days. He's active on touchline and imposes a fair bit of personality
Need to see how he and Alonso far in a Segunda side. I know the latter has got promoted with a B team and could generally be a better candidate.
Not sure if either would have success for us
I'd certainly be willing to gamble and see it. Anything but this dire state of things we are in now where little is achieved in terms of system and most things can be chalked up to form or mental strength of individual players
I generally think there's barely a manager that can have success with this group of people, some of whom are multi-title winners
Most literally got no pedigree or respect to bench a Kroos and look good when getting bad results with an excuse being to to try and build something
Very few people out there that can pull it off
If 2014 Klopp came into team today, he'd probably be sent packing the moment he lost a match of Europa League final calibre
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CatalinR10
Senior Member
Came in by just to say that Cadiz is casually getting shit on at HOME vs Athletic.
0-3 in the first 30 mins while Athletic also missed a penaldo.
0-3 in the first 30 mins while Athletic also missed a penaldo.
We took their soul, or rather, they took ours.
Birdy
Senior Member
Ancelotti made winning the league this season for RM look simple as well.
Let's see how this logic goes...
PS: There is no SD planning or direction at RM
And that will be their demise (In Spain IF Barca rebuilds of course as there is no other competitor)
We read they are close to getting Tchouameni who is a similar profile with Camavinga. Is there no person overseeing this?
We now read they changed their minds about Rudiger after the Chelsea game (Haven't they watched Rudiger at all the last 3 seasons? Not even last season in CL? Did they need this game to decide?) and will try get him. Do they need a CB in the first place? If yes, wrong planning until now/If no, wrong planning from now on
Is Ancelotti the long-term coach prospect there?
What's the mid-term planning anyway?
They are a mess of a plan, hiding it behind a successful core that is heading out, and some old-fashioned Galactico business by Perez
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Temptation
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Real have shite opposition this season. Barca in complete rebuild phase and ATM imploding meant Real are the best out of a bad bunch this season.
EV competed against much better sides and won the league comfortably accommodating multiple players who wouldn't do a thing off the ball.
It's like comparing apples and oranges.
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Villarato!
Planning isn't good because clearly priority is to squeeze out everything from the current players that dont want to leave and you dont want to force out as Perez can't admit mistakes on giving out long contracts
But these aren't the bad aspects of Real 'project' that should be highlighted
Not at all they aren't
Camavinga's main strengths are his vision, athleticism (he's 19 and you can see he'll basically have a body either like or better than Mendy at 25 with right growth), passing and mobility with the ball. Also a rather good tackler but not a great one or anywhere near Tchoo Tchoo which you can glean from even the types of cards he collects this season - tackle timing not great from inexperience. Concedes lots of fouls.
Tchouameni while not a scrub of a passer, excels at duels, famously has own analysts that guide and review his defensive progress. He's taller, older and for all intents and purposes, a better pivot. He doesn't faff on the ball and generally sends better long balls
This take really simplifies it without trying to understand the reasons for why it's happening
Flip flopping on free transfers is a norm for most serious elite teams these days because the players are fishing for huge deals and clubs like RM who have just been stung with bad gambles are extra careful. Teams dont just announce intent to sign unless found with back against the wall and have to hope the best available patchwork is OK so make a move clear early (replacing Ramos). Same happens in Juventus on Dybala and various other cases of this summer i.e. Pogba, Wijnaldum last year, even Salah sulking for some periods of time given he's out of contract next summer and now changing mind since he's not seeing interest from Spain to bring him in for money.
Rudiger is not a must get so no surprise how it's approached. He'd just arguably be a comfort acquisition and the contract we'd be taking on doesn't seem worth it considering:
a) Alaba has just proven he's a good CB and can lead the pack from the back like Ramos. That said he's also flexible enough and can probably do LCB in a back 5 or LB to give another dimension where Mendy isn't enough
b) Rudiger is mostly balls in a back 4. At Chelsea or for Germany (WC or Euro). Which is why lots are apprehensive giving him big money he wants on what might be the biggest contract of his life
RM changing mind is not weird provided lots of elite sides need a convincing game, or set of games, at big stage to at least have it clear that the player, even if not an elite defender, is consistent on a big stage. And like said before, he wasn't, it sort of depended on a formation.
Today they might be higher on him. Tomorrow, not necessarily. We will see.
In the end CB is a bit of an 'err' as things are.
But it's not as problematic as wide positions
Barca aren't exactly going to be forking out 70M to bring De Ligt in either eh?
Lol obviously not, that much has been clear from very start
He came in because there wasn't anybody else
Remains the same now, future wasn't even clear after 1st leg in Paris. He does however carry some respect. But character alone didn't stop Perez from sacking before. Difference being, there still isn't a clearly better option and team is not made up of players who need a different hand urgently. In my opinion it would still be a better strategy to gamble on a fundamentalist like United are. But until 2023 we have the wrong locker room for it which is probably why they're not going ahead with it.
Poch definitely has been the idea as timed contract accordingly and wanted a big club move but as more time passes, the less enthusiastic they must be getting about the idea of giving a guy who looked like he didn't react under pressure of a situation several times the keys to the kingdom (title run vs Leicester in 2016, Juve R16 knockout). He's been developing a wrong kind of history that will just delay him getting hired until it does come through as it should. In fact he's probably in a bit of a limbo as he stands now that he's been backstabbed by his 'dream job'
See what he does. He might end up back at Spurs if Conte throws up a tantrum over budget he gets and they cut ties once he got them the CL that Poch can waltz back into and maybe convince Kane to stay.
Galactico business is an old strat, but when you look at transfer history, we're not even doing it.
We spent 300M in 2019 and 150M so far has been a good investment with other 100 still lingering.
There was talk of show of strength last summer, but for one player. Not 2-3-4 or 5 known names like we used to.
Perez knows he can't compete with oil teams and bulk of club operations can't be chalked up to throwing money at a problem. In a way they're still trying to do smart scouting (i.e. the Shakhtar loanee).
But these aren't the bad aspects of Real 'project' that should be highlighted
Not at all they aren't
Camavinga's main strengths are his vision, athleticism (he's 19 and you can see he'll basically have a body either like or better than Mendy at 25 with right growth), passing and mobility with the ball. Also a rather good tackler but not a great one or anywhere near Tchoo Tchoo which you can glean from even the types of cards he collects this season - tackle timing not great from inexperience. Concedes lots of fouls.
Tchouameni while not a scrub of a passer, excels at duels, famously has own analysts that guide and review his defensive progress. He's taller, older and for all intents and purposes, a better pivot. He doesn't faff on the ball and generally sends better long balls
This take really simplifies it without trying to understand the reasons for why it's happening
Flip flopping on free transfers is a norm for most serious elite teams these days because the players are fishing for huge deals and clubs like RM who have just been stung with bad gambles are extra careful. Teams dont just announce intent to sign unless found with back against the wall and have to hope the best available patchwork is OK so make a move clear early (replacing Ramos). Same happens in Juventus on Dybala and various other cases of this summer i.e. Pogba, Wijnaldum last year, even Salah sulking for some periods of time given he's out of contract next summer and now changing mind since he's not seeing interest from Spain to bring him in for money.
Rudiger is not a must get so no surprise how it's approached. He'd just arguably be a comfort acquisition and the contract we'd be taking on doesn't seem worth it considering:
a) Alaba has just proven he's a good CB and can lead the pack from the back like Ramos. That said he's also flexible enough and can probably do LCB in a back 5 or LB to give another dimension where Mendy isn't enough
b) Rudiger is mostly balls in a back 4. At Chelsea or for Germany (WC or Euro). Which is why lots are apprehensive giving him big money he wants on what might be the biggest contract of his life
RM changing mind is not weird provided lots of elite sides need a convincing game, or set of games, at big stage to at least have it clear that the player, even if not an elite defender, is consistent on a big stage. And like said before, he wasn't, it sort of depended on a formation.
Today they might be higher on him. Tomorrow, not necessarily. We will see.
In the end CB is a bit of an 'err' as things are.
But it's not as problematic as wide positions
Barca aren't exactly going to be forking out 70M to bring De Ligt in either eh?
Lol obviously not, that much has been clear from very start
He came in because there wasn't anybody else
Remains the same now, future wasn't even clear after 1st leg in Paris. He does however carry some respect. But character alone didn't stop Perez from sacking before. Difference being, there still isn't a clearly better option and team is not made up of players who need a different hand urgently. In my opinion it would still be a better strategy to gamble on a fundamentalist like United are. But until 2023 we have the wrong locker room for it which is probably why they're not going ahead with it.
Poch definitely has been the idea as timed contract accordingly and wanted a big club move but as more time passes, the less enthusiastic they must be getting about the idea of giving a guy who looked like he didn't react under pressure of a situation several times the keys to the kingdom (title run vs Leicester in 2016, Juve R16 knockout). He's been developing a wrong kind of history that will just delay him getting hired until it does come through as it should. In fact he's probably in a bit of a limbo as he stands now that he's been backstabbed by his 'dream job'
See what he does. He might end up back at Spurs if Conte throws up a tantrum over budget he gets and they cut ties once he got them the CL that Poch can waltz back into and maybe convince Kane to stay.
Galactico business is an old strat, but when you look at transfer history, we're not even doing it.
We spent 300M in 2019 and 150M so far has been a good investment with other 100 still lingering.
There was talk of show of strength last summer, but for one player. Not 2-3-4 or 5 known names like we used to.
Perez knows he can't compete with oil teams and bulk of club operations can't be chalked up to throwing money at a problem. In a way they're still trying to do smart scouting (i.e. the Shakhtar loanee).
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soul24rage
Senior Member
A win and a draw I believe, as we have a superior head-to-head to them
El Gato
Villarato!
Or win + any points loss by Barca obv
Messi983
Senior Member
Who cares really at this point? They'll win the league even if they won't earn another point this season as there is no way Barca will win all the remaining games. Will be good if we'll actually win another game or two, lol.
FinBarcelonafan
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Check out Bono's save 27:20 vs Cadiz.. Yeah, I want to get rid of Stegen.
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