Let's talk about Xavi's replacement (2024)

[KingLeo10]

Yes you numpty.
Klopp did not land from moon to Liverpool. He started from fucking Mainz, and someone saw what he was doing there and gave him the opportunity to go to a bigger level.
Same with Tuchel, and almost all top coaches that made it.

Pep is a fuckn exception to the rule, one that happens one in a million years, and only you and clowns like Laporta take the exception as the rule.
But that doesn't take anything away from Pep. He would have made it starting from Almeria and climbing up the ladder like the rest, because he is top

No wonder only the idiots like you and Serghei use always Madrid as an example, and no other top team.
The favorite club of those who have 0 understanding of football

Carlo (especially) and ZZ are better than all of those hipster coaches like Glasner and RDZ because they can win big titles. Irrespective of style.

Pep is the only one who can win big titles with style - so he is an exception to any coaching convo, I agree.

 

[serghei]

Simple fact that anyone should understand is also that any manager at lower level club like Brighton or palace punching consistently above their weight and expectation WITH attractive football
IS and SHOULD BE considered for top clubs as well

Only clueless lot like yourself and KL believe there is such thing as managers guaranteeing success at big clubs

That's fine. But as we see with ETH, as we saw with Potter at Chelsea and many more, these B clubs managers can and do fail often at bigger clubs.

If you look at the top managers. Only Arteta made the jump in the last 5 years. Maybe Alonso will be next.

 

[KingLeo10]

That's fine. But as we see with ETH, as we saw with Potter at Chelsea and many more, these B clubs managers can and do fail often at bigger clubs.

If you look at the top managers. Only Arteta made the jump in the last 5 years. Maybe Alonso will be next.

I disagree with you on Arteta. For me, his and his team's performance while the lights are bright is noticeably lower than without expectations. They are in the 1st half of PL season what City are in 2nd half...yes Pep has better talent, but not by a landslide.

Alonso seems to be special. I haven't seen a thunderous entry like his by a manager since Pep's european treble with crushing style in 1st season.

 

[Birdy]

Carlo (especially) and ZZ are better than all of those hipster coaches like Glasner and RDZ because they can win big titles. Irrespective of style.

Pep is the only one who can win big titles with style - so he is an exception to any coaching convo, I agree.

Off topic
You didn't answer my point

Glasner has already won a Europa league with fuck'n Frankfurt. Can you imagine you much above the weight of that club the achievement is? Isn't that a big title for a mickey mouse club?
What makes you think he is not capable of winning CL with Bayern for instance?

That's why you simply don't get football.
You have a simplistic and primitive understanding

 

[KingLeo10]

Off topic
You didn't answer my point

Glasner has already won a Europa league with fuck'n Frankfurt. Can you imagine you much above the weight of that club the achievement is? Isn't that a big title for a mickey mouse club?
What makes you think he is not capable of winning CL with Bayern for instance?

That's why you simply don't get football.
You have a simplistic and primitive understanding

Punching above weight as underdog (where expectations are low) is fundamentally different to winning big titles when anything except for big titles is a FAILURE.

How is this so hard to understand? Some players and managers just have that IT factor, which you can't quantify in your naive models. I already know for instance that Potter or De Zerbi don't have that it factor. Xabi most likely does.

 

[serghei]

Europa League is not a premier level title. It's for B teams.

 

[Birdy]

That's fine. But as we see with ETH, as we saw with Potter at Chelsea and many more, these B clubs managers can and do fail often at bigger clubs.

If you look at the top managers. Only Arteta made the jump in the last 5 years. Maybe Alonso will be next.

No, that's your idiosyncratic BS
B managers only inside your head

Potter never failed, he wasn't given time.
ETH never failed, he wasn't given time
Arteta took 4.5 and still counting.
Klopp won first Liverpool title after 4.5

Only idiots judge projects form their first two years
This is ABC of football

 

[Birdy]

Europa League is not a premier level title. It's for B teams.

Aye,
and Xavi can't even win the B teams titles.
Got clowned by top coach in Glasner with 10 times worse squad

That's how good he is

 

[serghei]

Lol, then no manager fails, he just runs out of time.

 

[KingLeo10]

No, that's your idiosyncratic BS
B managers only inside your head

Potter never failed, he wasn't given time.
ETH never failed, he wasn't given time
Arteta took 4.5 and still counting.
Klopp won first Liverpool title after 4.5

Only idiot judge projects form their first two years
This is ABC of football

Klopp's it factor was obvious the moment he slapped Bayern around in 10/11 and 11/12. And Bayern in those years was strong, especially in 11/12.

The way his Dortmund performed in the 5-2 win over Bayern in the German Cup final - you know he will deliver at Pool eventually....which is why he was given the time to do so.

 

[serghei]

Aye,
and Xavi can't even win the B teams titles.
That's how good he is

He was busy winning a big one. But Xavi is not a top manager yet. Few are.

 

[Birdy]

Punching above weight as underdog (where expectations are low) is fundamentally different to winning big titles when anything except for big titles is a FAILURE.

How is this so hard to understand? Some players and managers just have that IT factor, which you can't quantify in your naive models. I already know for instance that Potter or De Zerbi don't have that it factor. Xabi most likely does.

You don't know how has the 'IT factor' (LOL) unless you see them in big clubs.
And when I say see them: trust them in long term projects like Klopp-Liverpool, Arteta-Arsenal

You categorically dismiss any b team manager that punched above weight, just because they started from there

CLUELESS

 

[Birdy]

He was busy winning a big one.

OK, idiot status confirmed

He won nothing in 21/22
EL was the big goal that season

 

[DonAK]

The pressure at clubs at Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern and such clubs is not for everyone.

Guys like Lopetegui were rated as highly as Glasner years ago and we all saw him crumble at Real Madrid. Even someone as accomplished as Unai Emery isn't made for those clubs or situations.

Not every person is made for those things.

Tactical knowledge/man management skills isn't always enough if you cannot stomach being under constant stress and pressure of delivering at a club at the size of ours.

Not making a judgement on Glasner as I don't know if he can deliver under those circumstances, but it's not as simple as that is my point.

 

[serghei]

OK, idiot status confirmed

He won nothing in 21/22
EL was the big goal that season

For Barca EL is not interesting. This is why the fans sold their tickets to the rival.