At least we get to enjoy some ball control and tiki taka without pitch hierarchy against average La Liga teams
Lionel Messi - v7
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At least we get to enjoy some ball control and tiki taka without pitch hierarchy against average La Liga teams
Arrogant club run by arrogant people. The club still think they have the same players of 10 years ago. Pique, Messi and Busquets remain,the rest have gone - Valdes, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Pedro, Villa, the replacements just aren't up to scratch, MATS aside.
The fact a 17 year old wet wipe is now being fast tracked into the first team speaks volumes.
Messi's legacy is going down the toilet thanks to the cunts up top. It's sad to see.
The fact a 17 year old wet wipe is now being fast tracked into the first team speaks volumes.
Messi's legacy is going down the toilet thanks to the cunts up top. It's sad to see.
feggydinho
Senior Member
Nobody is a saint. The problem is Messi is a nasty player to deal with. A little dictator is an accurate description. He can't be managed at this stage.
You think Koeman wouldn't want to rest Messi? He can't do it because then Messi will get pissed and shit's gonna hit the fan. You really think he beleives Messi gets more tired if he doesn't playlol
The fact that Martino and Setien weren't top managers doesn't change the fact that these players are going the Galactico route. Nasty manipulative characters who basically run the team and turn every manager into a submissive puppet. Unless they become like Valverde, a soft nice dude that lets them do what they want. The Galactico Madrid's main players like Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos also did what they wanted. Also in that period no manager was good enough and they started to sack them after months. Also, big surprise, they started to get stuffed in CL like we have been.
Accurate analysis with the Galactico and sacking of coaches
serghei
Senior Member
Messi is far from the victim here. All affair in recent years has been a toxic relation between board and veterans, with the coaches caught in the middle of those spheres of influence - them being not great played an important role as well.
When the veterans still had top football left in them, and their legs were still there to a reasonable level (especially the case of Messi and Suarez), we've won a couple of leagues despite the shit under the rug. Now that they are getting past it and their legs are gone, we're a joke.
This shit needs to be fixed by a good board that doesn't use populist measures like "we need to build around Messi", "Messi can play until he's 40, he's that good". And shit like that. A board that is really interested in this team looking ahead and doesn't pander to Messi to win some gullible fans over (we all know there's millions of that).
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feggydinho
Senior Member
In summary, I think Messi should study the likes of Zlatan and CR7 so he can see how best to fit the team while he's aging (fewer dribbles, more passes, and maintaining his position in the formation) and not focusing on himself while making the team fit him. We should be good to go if he can do that, else he should be benched till he tries to fit the team.
Birdy
Senior Member
Flat-earthers are the one thinking Messi is still world-class when he can barely move and loses the ball every time he touches it.
His performance yesterday is a mark of the saddest decline of a legendary player ever
malvolio
Senior Member
Stop being stupid! While the performance was not good enough and a let down even for him, I'm sure. This was not his worst performance ever or the bullshit you just wrote. Writing shit non-stop doesn't make it true, bud.
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Blaugrana al vent
You are still at your denial phase?
serghei
Senior Member
The biggest decline is due to his mentality and his way of handing himself as a professional player. Yes, he has declined a lot, but he'd still be one of the finest players around if he just had a different mindset and personality.
He has enough quality left to make a difference, but he listens to nobody and does whatever he wants. The managers are there to help him, not to do what he tells them. It's sad.
I blame the club more than Messi for how they handled his late-career, but Messi has surely gone on a wrong path post Guardiola.
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I think it's time for Koeman to turn the fact that Bar?a management acquired 2 players that are similar to Messi into a plus (instead of a problem):
Given that Messi does not have the stamina to play 2-3 matches per week, he should be rested and Griezmann + Coutinho should take his place.
I disagree that Messi is done as a top player. He can still deliver GOAT performances if properly rested.
Messi never in his career did well on short rest - a strong contributing factor to his lack of top performances in tournaments where the finals were played with 2-3 days rest. Only CL finals are played with sufficient rest, NT finals are not.
Koeman has to manage Messi's minutes, even if Messi disagrees. Everybody will win, including Messi himself.
A regular La Liga schedule without mid-week matches is fine, a compressed schedule (like post COVID) is not good for Messi. The current crazy schedule is a worst case scenario for Messi's recovery problems.
Sergio Ramos seems to be able to deal with compressed schedules, Mascherano was able to do it, but Messi cannot.
He is the most gifted player but he is not superman when it comes to stamina.
It is the coach's responsibility to realize this fact and to plan accordingly.
He could start this week by letting Messi stay home and practice (maybe freekicks?) and don't include him in the Kiev squad.
All Forum participants that say bad things about Messi will have to eat their words if Koeman treats Messi in this new way, and Bar?a results will be more consistent.
Given that Messi does not have the stamina to play 2-3 matches per week, he should be rested and Griezmann + Coutinho should take his place.
I disagree that Messi is done as a top player. He can still deliver GOAT performances if properly rested.
Messi never in his career did well on short rest - a strong contributing factor to his lack of top performances in tournaments where the finals were played with 2-3 days rest. Only CL finals are played with sufficient rest, NT finals are not.
Koeman has to manage Messi's minutes, even if Messi disagrees. Everybody will win, including Messi himself.
A regular La Liga schedule without mid-week matches is fine, a compressed schedule (like post COVID) is not good for Messi. The current crazy schedule is a worst case scenario for Messi's recovery problems.
Sergio Ramos seems to be able to deal with compressed schedules, Mascherano was able to do it, but Messi cannot.
He is the most gifted player but he is not superman when it comes to stamina.
It is the coach's responsibility to realize this fact and to plan accordingly.
He could start this week by letting Messi stay home and practice (maybe freekicks?) and don't include him in the Kiev squad.
All Forum participants that say bad things about Messi will have to eat their words if Koeman treats Messi in this new way, and Bar?a results will be more consistent.
Daniele
Member
seriously, I don't think anyone who knows about football believes that at 33 you can play like at 24.
I think that Mesis's physique is not like the one of Zlatan or Cristiano, two genetics freaks. But they are 35 and 39; at 33 you can still hold up if managed well.
At the same time, to derive the decline of Barcelona in recent years from the figure of Messi is laughable.
In this discussion an accurate point of view is lacking,
in football the victories of teams are cyclical and the cycle of great victories of barca is not finished because messi is no longer 24 years old (and it will not come back even if they get rid of him)
Your theories often have to do with gossip and with facts that have little to do with the playing field.
We will see at the end of the season how the performances of the player - and of the whole team - have been and we will draw conclusions: whether the 33-year-old Messi lived up to a player of his age or is a former player.
For now all this noise you make doesn't have much to do with genuine cheering on the team. Which I expect in a fan forum. Cheers
Richard.H
Senior Member
This is not going to happen, so keep dreaming. RK isn't going to bench Messi, the past three coaches haven't. Heck even Lucho couldn't.
Mitchell1978
Senior Member
He had 13 succesfull dribbles and 4 keypasses, lost the ball, didn't score, uneven performance but one or 2 goals and the performance would be considered great.
Mitchell1978
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