Lionel Messi - v7

[Rory]

Messi's positioning and work rate is a problem if he isn't scoring and assisting on the levels he does. Any decent coach would be able to see what Messi is doing on the field and adjust the rest of the team to make up for it. Queue people saying "Why should we change our whole system for Messi." Not what I'm saying, a few minor modifications could result in Messi's lack of running and dropping deep being obsolete.

Make sure the CM closest to Messi is a strong runner (Rakitic's first season he was great at this to his credit), also make sure the RB is athletic too. When he drops deep players that are good with one touch passing should be moving closer to him and in positions for him (AS THEY SHOULD ALL THE TIME), wingers should be looking to get in behind.

Also bear in mind his goals and assists returns have been so normalised by him that even our own fans now believe he is a problem for the team?! No other player in the world scores as much as he does. The english press jizz themselves every week Sterling manages to score and keep a goal a game ratio. Lewandowski is being hailed as amazing (and rightfully so) as he is scoring more than anyone. No mention of their negatives. We are so spoilt by Messi.

When I'm watching barca under EV I see Messi drop deep because the movement is so static no one can play a ball forward. He drops off because he can create angles out of nothing, or float a diagonal over and more quickly advance play forward. If we were playing with tactics that utilised the skills of our midfield with short passing and quick movement I think you'd see him drop deep less and less.

I'm just an armchair coach lol so maybe what I'm saying is a load of rubbish but to suggest that Messi not running so much/ dropping deep is a key problem of the club is laughable. A coach should be able to deal with this and use other players to compensate.

 

[Messigician]

Barcelona plan to propose Messi a new contract in the coming months with the idea of extending it until 2022 or even another year. [md]
The objective is to extend the contracts of Semedo and Ter Stegen as well in the course of the season. Both Rakitić and Vidal may leave the club in January or in the summer so there's no need to extend those contracts. [md]o
Suárez prefers to wait until the end of his contract when he will be at the age of 34. [md]
-AK10

 

[te amo barca]

....whilst constantly ignoring all his numerous qualities he has brought to the team, pretending to be neutral and never praising any good performance of his, while in contrast defending every Ronaldo disasterclass as a 'good game.'

Seems legit.

I praised him plenty of times. try again.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

One more year of Suarez? Gosh. I hope we find replacement soon.

 

[Jadentheman]

If Suarez underwhelms then maybe he might leave.

 

[JohnN]

He wouldn't be underwhelming if he was used as an impact sub. It really is not his fault that he annoys us with his shortcomings. He tries his best and that much is obvious. The problem lies with the coach who is a yes man and succumbs to pressure from the board and the players.

 

[Potroh]

Who is the spectator or fan who has an inevitable gravitation or affinity towards only mediocre footballers or coaches?

You already know the answer: the one who himself is mediocre, feels the best surrounded by similar entities, listens to bad or artificial music, reads bad literature, never goes to a theater, only likes cabarets, etc. He is the A-typical common man, who can be a good human, a loving father, a good teacher of carpentry, or even a soldier who serves his homeland in war.
But he's a fan of football, he's engaged in it, likes it, so he naturally joins small communities with the same interest, preferably likes to discuss his hobby along with others, who favor the same team and club.

He maybe enjoys some games, happy if his favorites wins, unhappy when they lose, so his followership is on the right track. But that's not enough for him.

He needs some others who think more similarly, so he can create artificial clans, blind followers or tribes.
Tribes that surround him, mainly because they are even more mediocre compared to the torchbearer.

These are long time football spectators, who can hardly distinguish even the most elementary phases of the game, who mix up formation with tactics (just as if someone would be certain to look for his ears around his genitals).
When they talk about the game, discuss the game and even analyze the game, they make one serious pragmatic, vocational and factual mistake after the other, but nobody really cares. The followers follow, the knowledgeable try to keep a good distance.
- Football is easy. Everybody is an expert who's seen 100 games - they preach.

- Place X in the middle, Y on the right, buy Joe, sell Jack, and we are on track to win the big trophy (that by the way nobody will remember in a years time).

If you mix up a doll with a washing machine, you will fail at the kindergarten.
If you mix up a whole-number with a fractional, you will fail in elementary school.
If you mix up Shakespeare with Mussolini, you will fail in high-school.
If you mix up relativity with quantum physics, you will fail at university.

"Nothing matters but the truth" - "God is with us" - they stitch to their flag, and start considerable verbal attacks against innocent football players.
No, not just any footballers, but mostly the players of their own favorite team.

"Great post" - says 'C' - when 'A' mentions a blood-worm to be a bird.
"Expedient list of problems" - says 'B' - when 'D' recites how the main problem with his team is that it would actually need players with larger testicles. (Preferably ones who are unforeskinned, because it lessens weight).

Everyone is happy.

- The coach is horrible! - says the wiser fraction (because everyone knows and observes with the bare minimal knowledge, that he is indeed horrible).
- No! - come up the knowledge-less with considerable hatred.
- The problem is with the King!
- Historic problems with his testicle-size - they buzz and burr, and the battle has started.

Words and words fly in the air, stone-axes and arrows whine just besides ears (with the inevitable historic data, as unquestionable evidences).

- No darling - says the toothless old footballer, who was nominated for the Balloon D'Or three times in his time - you see my redundant friend, formations are not tactics, tactics are not mere passes to the back or forward, the entire art of this sports is a tiny bit more complicated than that - says and tries to come to the rescue of the wiser-fraction.

- You are an asshole! You are not who you are! You aren't even a serious fan of the Test-Testicles-Tombola-Team - belts out the choir, and try to ignore any pragmatic words by anyone.
They love their own words (that's why they write ten thousand posts in a lifespan of a hamster).

The King must die! - echoes the mediocre crowd - specially that he aged a bit and it is the right time to finally consider him as a victim.
- He is the problem! - the commando clangs - and the war goes on for a couple of years.
- The coach is good! - you are all delusional - would resonate the website, but cannot, because it has no walls.

- You see - tries to argue the gerontologically disadvantageous ex-footballer - the task of the coach is to allow the players to show and achieve their full potential.
- The good coach brings out the best from everyone, and at their most suitable positions - sounds another try, but his voice is hardly heard by the commando, which is busy with laying out the strategies for the mammoth-hunt.

The war is lost - before it was even fought - mediocrity always sweeps away pragmatic knowledge and experience.
- All right guys, enjoy! - says the toothless - and retires for the second and final time.

 

[Mitchell1978]

He wouldn't be underwhelming if he was used as an impact sub. It really is not his fault that he annoys us with his shortcomings. He tries his best and that much is obvious.

jeesh you sound like you're talking about some mediocre player

i feel almost sad for some of you who only seem to be able to focus on minor bad points, obsessing over the CL in stead of simply enjoying watching him play, probably the best player in history, perform his almost weekly magic

 

[soul24rage]

jeesh you sound like you're talking about some mediocre player

i feel almost sad for some of you who only seem to be able to focus on minor bad points, obsessing over the CL in stead of simply enjoying watching him play, probably the best player in history, perform his almost weekly magic

think he was talking about Suarez, because the post previous to JohnN's was talking about Suarez.

 

[Leong157]

Yeah, we played so well at the beginning of the season without him.....

C'mon, if he cannot play at RW, have someone else play there and put him else where.

It is not Fifa where you have formations on paper and follow. There are hundreds of way coach can make this work.

And I'm at a loss of word at some posts. It is BAD when he drop deep and have 3-4 around him?????

With 3-4 around him, that means at least 2-3 of our players are left with out man mark and got space. With Messi, as one of the best passer in the history of football, I believe he can exploit that under well-directed game plan from the coach.

He is not defending. SO WHAT. He is not a defender.
If some of you like number so much then let's use number.

You can have him stand at the top most of the field when we are under attack. The opposite team must have 2 guys man mark him. That is normal. No team in the world would left 1 defender to man mark a forward unless under some special circumstances.

That make 9 vs 8 when we defence. Even if we count walking Suarez, it would be 8 vs 7 still or ,unlikely, 8 vs 8.

A decent coach will know how to utilize players effectively.

I still believe that our players do not run because of instruction from EV. The more you run, the more you lose position and that is not what EV like to do.

 

[snowy]

Who is the spectator or fan who has an inevitable gravitation or affinity towards only mediocre footballers or coaches?

You already know the answer: the one who himself is mediocre, feels the best surrounded by similar entities, listens to bad or artificial music, reads bad literature, never goes to a theater, only likes cabarets, etc. He is the A-typical common man, who can be a good human, a loving father, a good teacher of carpentry, or even a soldier who serves his homeland in war.
But he's a fan of football, he's engaged in it, likes it, so he naturally joins small communities with the same interest, preferably likes to discuss his hobby along with others, who favor the same team and club.

He maybe enjoys some games, happy if his favorites wins, unhappy when they lose, so his followership is on the right track. But that's not enough for him.

He needs some others who think more similarly, so he can create artificial clans, blind followers or tribes.
Tribes that surround him, mainly because they are even more mediocre compared to the torchbearer.

These are long time football spectators, who can hardly distinguish even the most elementary phases of the game, who mix up formation with tactics (just as if someone would be certain to look for his ears around his genitals).
When they talk about the game, discuss the game and even analyze the game, they make one serious pragmatic, vocational and factual mistake after the other, but nobody really cares. The followers follow, the knowledgeable try to keep a good distance.
- Football is easy. Everybody is an expert who's seen 100 games - they preach.

- Place X in the middle, Y on the right, buy Joe, sell Jack, and we are on track to win the big trophy (that by the way nobody will remember in a years time).

If you mix up a doll with a washing machine, you will fail at the kindergarten.
If you mix up a whole-number with a fractional, you will fail in elementary school.
If you mix up Shakespeare with Mussolini, you will fail in high-school.
If you mix up relativity with quantum physics, you will fail at university.

"Nothing matters but the truth" - "God is with us" - they stitch to their flag, and start considerable verbal attacks against innocent football players.
No, not just any footballers, but mostly the players of their own favorite team.

"Great post" - says 'C' - when 'A' mentions a blood-worm to be a bird.
"Expedient list of problems" - says 'B' - when 'D' recites how the main problem with his team is that it would actually need players with larger testicles. (Preferably ones who are unforeskinned, because it lessens weight).

Everyone is happy.

- The coach is horrible! - says the wiser fraction (because everyone knows and observes with the bare minimal knowledge, that he is indeed horrible).
- No! - come up the knowledge-less with considerable hatred.
- The problem is with the King!
- Historic problems with his testicle-size - they buzz and burr, and the battle has started.

Words and words fly in the air, stone-axes and arrows whine just besides ears (with the inevitable historic data, as unquestionable evidences).

- No darling - says the toothless old footballer, who was nominated for the Balloon D'Or three times in his time - you see my redundant friend, formations are not tactics, tactics are not mere passes to the back or forward, the entire art of this sports is a tiny bit more complicated than that - says and tries to come to the rescue of the wiser-fraction.

- You are an asshole! You are not who you are! You aren't even a serious fan of the Test-Testicles-Tombola-Team - belts out the choir, and try to ignore any pragmatic words by anyone.
They love their own words (that's why they write ten thousand posts in a lifespan of a hamster).

The King must die! - echoes the mediocre crowd - specially that he aged a bit and it is the right time to finally consider him as a victim.
- He is the problem! - the commando clangs - and the war goes on for a couple of years.
- The coach is good! - you are all delusional - would resonate the website, but cannot, because it has no walls.

- You see - tries to argue the gerontologically disadvantageous ex-footballer - the task of the coach is to allow the players to show and achieve their full potential.
- The good coach brings out the best from everyone, and at their most suitable positions - sounds another try, but his voice is hardly heard by the commando, which is busy with laying out the strategies for the mammoth-hunt.

The war is lost - before it was even fought - mediocrity always sweeps away pragmatic knowledge and experience.
- All right guys, enjoy! - says the toothless - and retires for the second and final time.

Datz Watz Up! Game recognises Game

Well looks like it's a wrap ladies n gents

http://gph.is/2kzuo6c

wait for the post-credits.

 

[JohnN]

jeesh you sound like you're talking about some mediocre player

i feel almost sad for some of you who only seem to be able to focus on minor bad points, obsessing over the CL in stead of simply enjoying watching him play, probably the best player in history, perform his almost weekly magic

I am talking about Suarez, responding to a previous post. Forgot to quote!
Not taking any offence, because I would say the exact same thing if someone talked like this about Messi.

 

[Laplacian]

That is genuinely the most pretentious, obnoxious, and self-absorbed post in this entire forum. Christ, fucking cringe.

 

[Messigician]

According to the Italian newspaper CorSport, Cristiano Ronaldo seems to be the favorite to win the Ballon d'Or 2019 on 2nd December - The delegation of France Football have been seen in Turin in recent days, Recording an interview with CR7 that will be uploaded after the Ceremony.
Looks like the delegation of France Football have had a dinner with Cristiano Ronaldo & Juventus sporting director Fabio Paratici - The Portuguese striker is likely to win his 6th Ballon d'or this year, Beating Van Dijk & Leo Messi.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

According to the Italian newspaper CorSport, Cristiano Ronaldo seems to be the favorite to win the Ballon d'Or 2019 on 2nd December - The delegation of France Football have been seen in Turin in recent days, Recording an interview with CR7 that will be uploaded after the Ceremony.
Looks like the delegation of France Football have had a dinner with Cristiano Ronaldo & Juventus sporting director Fabio Paratici - The Portuguese striker is likely to win his 6th Ballon d'or this year, Beating Van Dijk & Leo Messi.

Do not believe. Dijk wins it.