Lionel Messi - v7

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Disagree here, televised football has been massive since the 70s/80s. Man... even here in the UK we had Italian football from early 90s on "Football Italia"

I'd argue that if a player has done something special on the pitch, the footage will surface, regardless of era. There was some exaggeration on my part saying that they can be condensed into 10 minute videos. But take this video for example, this guy is obviously a big Napoli fan and has managed to put Maradona's 7 year Napoli career in a 29 minute video. Will there be stuff missing? Of course.. but imagine trying to fit 7 year's of Messi's Barca career in a 29 minute video.

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Riqui Puig comparison is a stretch. For a start I doubt you could find 20 minute's of highlights from his career, remember a highlight could only be a 10 second clip and we're comparing a B team player to players who were in Europe's top leagues in their era.

Maradona, 7 years at Napoli=29 minutes
Riki Puig, 1 season at Barca B=25 minutes:

Accoring to amount of video footage, Riki is roughly 6 times better player than Maradona...
One guy won a World cup as a one man show.
The other guy has never been called to any NT team.
 

Tackle

Senior Member
Disagree here, televised football has been massive since the 70s/80s. Man... even here in the UK we had Italian football from early 90s on "Football Italia"

I'd argue that if a player has done something special on the pitch, the footage will surface, regardless of era. There was some exaggeration on my part saying that they can be condensed into 10 minute videos. But take this video for example, this guy is obviously a big Napoli fan and has managed to put Maradona's 7 year Napoli career in a 29 minute video. Will there be stuff missing? Of course.. but imagine trying to fit 7 year's of Messi's Barca career in a 29 minute video.

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Riqui Puig comparison is a stretch. For a start I doubt you could find 20 minute's of highlights from his career, remember a highlight could only be a 10 second clip and we're comparing a B team player to players who were in Europe's top leagues in their era.

Televised football has been massive since the 70s/80s, and the footage surely exists, but that does not mean all of it will ever make it to a modern day highlight reel.

-Most football video creators are young lads that were not around during Maradona's time, therefore cannot recall all the instances of his brilliance beyond the highly publicized ones. Even fans from that time will no be able to remember close everything.

-Today everything brilliant Messi does is clipped and put on Twitter and YouTube making the accessing of highlights easier than ever. Footage of old timers needs to be dug out of full matches from obscure archives.

-Nobody has the time or patience to sit through hundreds of Maradona matches in low resolution and clip out every impressive action he produces. Messi fans in the digital age have had the luxury of watching every match of Messi's career in real time and gathering all his impressive moments from that match on their computer mere minutes later. This allows for the collection of comprehensive and complete highlights. You can find all of Messi's individual touches on the ball in any particular match pretty easily on the internet. This is massively helpful.

You are massively mistaken and rather naive if you think 29 minutes is enough to show every impressive move from R9, Zidane's or Maradona's career. That would barely touch the surface. I think Messi is the best ever, but you are also massively underrating these older legends.

You could pretty easily make a 7 year Messi compilation in 29 minutes if you wanted to. It would not be remotely complete and you would know there is a ton missing because you have watched all the matches. For someone not from the previous era with a great memory there is no way for you tell there is much beyond the same overused highlights of a certain player.

Even the most dedicated Napoli or Argentina fans cannot come close to showing all of Maradona's brilliance in a single 29 minute video. Editors need to keep the watch times manageable and do not have the time to dig out all the clips. It is also impossible to remember all of them 30 years later. Messi has hundreds upon hundreds of young fans with editing skills that have made it their mission to document everything he does.

Look at this:

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Even fecking Dembele has a 23 minute video of crazy moves in the first two years of his career. There is also a few clips from his first few Barca matches, but it is mostly highlights from two seasons and they are all unique.

If even Dembele of all players can produce so many highlights in a short span in what world do you not think all-time legends like Zidane, R9 and Maradona don't have hours upon hours in footage of great actions? Don't be immature now.
 

Vilarrubi

New member
Maradona, 7 years at Napoli=29 minutes
Riki Puig, 1 season at Barca B=25 minutes:

Accoring to amount of video footage, Riki is roughly 6 times better player than Maradona...
One guy won a World cup as a one man show.
The other guy has never been called to any NT team.

Why are we comparing B team players to senior players again? lol If you want to use Riqui Puig as an example compare his highlight reel in La Liga/CL/Copa to Maradona's and Messi's for it to be relevant to the original post.

All you've shown me is that nowadays even B team games are televised whereas back then only first team football was televised.


More or less every game Maradona played in will have been recorded, access to that footage is obviously nowhere near as good as nowadays but I believe most of his special moments will have surfaced however old they are. I mean 70's and 80s isn't even that old in televised football terms, you guesstimate at when football was televised was way off. It's been recorded since the 40s/50s... you think that no one will have watched back all of Maradona's footage from when he played arguably one of the top 3 footballers of all time, of course they will.
 

Tackle

Senior Member
Why are we comparing B team players to senior players again? lol If you want to use Riqui Puig as an example compare his highlight reel in La Liga/CL/Copa to Maradona's and Messi's for it to be relevant to the original post.

All you've shown me is that nowadays even B team games are televised whereas back then only first team football was televised.


More or less every game Maradona played in will have been recorded, access to that footage is obviously nowhere near as good as nowadays but I believe most of his special moments will have surfaced however old they are. I mean 70's and 80s isn't even that old in televised football terms, you guesstimate at when football was televised was way off. It's been recorded since the 40s/50s... you think that no one will have watched back all of Maradona's footage from when he played arguably one of the top 3 footballers of all time, of course they will.

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Verrati has 50 minutes of highlights for 2 seasons.

Every average player these days has a 20 minute video for one season.

Very few if any people have gone back and watched every single Maradona match for 90 minutes. It is impossible. Many of the matches are not archived with footage and out of the ones that are the legendary matches are vastly oversampled. Keep in mind back in those days only a selected few matches were actually filmed and shown on television. Only a limited number of matches could be a television match. There were far fewer channels and streaming did not exist. For the matches not on T.V you would have to go to the stadium, or get the results via newspaper or radio.

Also the people re-watching the full matches from that era that are available today are mostly the older crowd that don't have the ability to clip every single moment and make a 30 minute - 1 hour video for every season. Clipping, keeping a note of and broadcasting every moment of brilliance a player has is infinitely easier in real time in the digital age than it is going back 20-30 years in the pre-internet, pre-streaming era.

You are incredibly wrong on this topic.
 

bismp

Well-known member
Messi is going to play for Argentina during the next International break....Really disappointing if you ask me.FFS he is 32 and his stamina is mediocre at best,why does he insist on making these long trips for meaningless matches?Even playing at the Copa next summer is a bad idea IMO.Even if he wins,with all these Copas(this will be 4th Copa in 6 years),winning one doesn't mean a lot.

Anyways,playing at the Copa is debatable,but playing all these meaningless games is just stupid IMO.
 

Pedro

La Masia
Messi is going to play for Argentina during the next International break....Really disappointing if you ask me.FFS he is 32 and his stamina is mediocre at best,why does he insist on making these long trips for meaningless matches?Even playing at the Copa next summer is a bad idea IMO.Even if he wins,with all these Copas(this will be 4th Copa in 6 years),winning one doesn't mean a lot.

Anyways,playing at the Copa is debatable,but playing all these meaningless games is just stupid IMO.

Let's hope Leo leads Argentina to Copa glory next summer
 

Rory

Senior Member
Probably wants to keep his match rhythm up? Only just got it back really. Plus they'll be playing Brazil and Uruguay, which Argentinian wouldn't want to play them
 

Valdario

Member
Argentina need to get their shit back together with Messi and co. figuring out a proper system. Playing without Messi is just delaying the task that needs to be done sooner or later before the Copa America. I hope they will show that they are capable of fighting against Brazil and Uruguay because they are really the only true favorites for this emerging CA.
 

soul24rage

Senior Member
Argentina need to get their shit back together with Messi and co. figuring out a proper system. Playing without Messi is just delaying the task that needs to be done sooner or later before the Copa America. I hope they will show that they are capable of fighting against Brazil and Uruguay because they are really the only true favorites for this emerging CA.

yep, it really sucks (but very understandable) that the River Plate players are not going to be in this friendly and the likes of E. Palacios, Montiel and Quarta can get used to playing more for the NT and particularly with Messi and Aguero. It's very likely that the River players and the likes of Messi and Aguero will play together for the first time in this March WCQs, so hopefully they will draw some easy teams for the March games.
 

Messigician

Senior Member
📰 — In the last three seasons, whoever won 'The Best' award, won the Ballon d'Or, so Messi will win the next Ballon d'Or. [marca]
 

Valdario

Member
📰 — In the last three seasons, whoever won 'The Best' award, won the Ballon d'Or, so Messi will win the next Ballon d'Or. [marca]

This doesn’t mean anything. Whoever won UEFA POTY also won the Ballon d’Or so I wouldn’t count on it. I hope he does get it because nobody in the football world could produce what Messi has produced last season leading a Valverde-coached Barcelona side to a treble almost, being the best player in every competition he participated in.
 

clemente

New member
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