Get tae fuck jamdav, it?s perfectly reasonable. Your opinions just happen to align somewhat with sergheis
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Get tae fuck jamdav, it?s perfectly reasonable. Your opinions just happen to align somewhat with sergheis
Mitchell1978
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No no no...
Most of Messi fanboys here do not think like this, and refuse to concede the points LVG made in clear and adamant way above.
Whether coaches were useless or not useless is a discussion we can make, but Messi thinking he deserves to have a privileged and special position, that the team should play for him (and his delusion, of course, that playing like that will win you CL) in entirely on him and no one else.
He is not a victim. Period.
Van Gaal is an arrogant has been and he was wrong, not the first season but gradually Guardiola built his whole team around Messi, by 2010-11 it was all about him, part of why Pep left, he didn't want to have succes because of the brilliance of one individual....
Other coaches wore almost forced to built around Leo more because the team around him declined even further.
Mitchell1978
Senior Member
I wonder if Messi agreed to take a salary reduction. If so, I wonder how much he agreed to take. I bet it wasn't much.
I hope it was nothing, they forced him to stay so they should pay his full salary....
If they can't afford it the they should let him go, sell other players or go bankrupt....
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Van Gaal is an arrogant has been and he was wrong, not the first season but gradually Guardiola built his whole team around Messi, by 2010-11 it was all about him, part of why Pep left, he didn't want to have succes because of the brilliance of one individual....
Other coaches wore almost forced to built around Leo more because the team around him declined even further.
What an absolute load of nonsense.
That Barca team did not have 'success because of the brilliance of one individual' and Pep would never have thought that either.
This is the type of shit Messi fanboys are so deluded they start claiming.
Messi was the best player... but not by a huge margine and likes of Xavi were absolutely vital to that success and provided Messi with the platform to perform.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
I hope it was nothing, they forced him to stay so they should pay his full salary....
If they can't afford it the they should let him go, sell other players or go bankrupt....
There we go... Messi ahead of club again.
Fanboys getting worse.
Moron or a troll it is difficult to tell but 'hoping' Messi doesnt take pay cut so they have to sell players or go bankrupt just exposes you fully.
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Mitchell1978
Senior Member
There we go... Messi ahead of club again.
Fanboys getting worse.
They forced him to stay so they need to face the consequences of that.... why should they be left of the hook for mismanagement, the players didn't force the club to sign huge contracts...
And if they blame Barto and his board then the current administration should start legal procedure against them
A midfield so good it will live in the pantheon of Football history. The greatest Brazilian right back in history, and one of the best ever in general. Two of one of the best strikers of their generation in Eto'o and David Villa, the former having won 3 UCL titles in two different teams and being one of the greatest strikers in African history. One of the best CBs in the past 30 years in Spain. The best premier league player in history, though no longer at his prime was still immensely useful for the team. The best Brazilian winger of his generation. The best striker of the 2010s.
"Barcelona won their UCLs because of Messi."
Fanboys...man, fanboys.
"Barcelona won their UCLs because of Messi."
Fanboys...man, fanboys.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
They forced him to stay so they need to face the consequences of that.... why should they be left of the hook for mismanagement, the players didn't force the club to sign huge contracts...
And if they blame Barto and his board then the current administration should start legal procedure against them
No one 'forced him to stay' rather they forced him to honour the contract he signed before he tried to get out of it last minute when they sold his chum.
Even then those are gone and it is future of club that matters... but not for the fanboys like you.
Within two posts you state Messi is more important that club and that he was the 'success in 2011 was due to one player'.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Get tae fuck jamdav, it?s perfectly reasonable. Your opinions just happen to align somewhat with sergheis
Perfectly reasonable to likes of you who is also hysterical it seems.
The old 'you hate Messi' argument is about all you claim. Top stuff.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
A midfield so good it will live in the pantheon of Football history. The greatest Brazilian right back in history, and one of the best ever in general. Two of one of the best strikers of their generation in Eto'o and David Villa, the former having won 3 UCL titles in two different teams and being one of the greatest strikers in African history. One of the best CBs in the past 30 years in Spain. The best premier league player in history, though no longer at his prime was still immensely useful for the team. The best Brazilian winger of his generation. The best striker of the 2010s.
"Barcelona won their UCLs because of Messi."
Fanboys...man, fanboys.
They are hysterical and like a parody of themselves the shit they come out with.
Openly state it is all about Messi getting own way and it being more important than future of club.
I know Madrid fans that will agree to say that Messi is one of the top 3 players of all time. And you'll are here arguing that he is toxic for Barcelona. The dude has scored and assisted more than any single football player that played for barcelona since it has been created. How much do you still need ? Oh wait but RM has won 124 CLs under Messi's era... So what ? When we win it's because Xavi, Iniesta but when we lose it's on him ? Guys, you don't deserve a tenth of the joy he bringed to us.
He's the best of his generation, no doubt about it.
No one questions this.
People here are upset because he lacks a fighting spirit.
Look at our European rivals like Real or Bayern
Their captains are Sergio Ramos or Manuel Neuer.
True winners with iron mentality.
People are upset to see Messi not put in any effort and walk around when he is captain.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
^^^ And all this proves is that you can't function at the top without a well coached team full of top class players. That even with incredible players like Messi it is not possible to beat the other top teams without support from your team mates. Current Barca does not have a squad that is anywhere ner top class, and certainly not a coach that has any pedigree or frankly a clue! This has been the case for at least 5yrs now, but no the focus for some on here is to blame the one player that has kept them relevant.
Barca had a squad better than Real for most of last five years and they were winning multople CLs.
Messi and Barca just failed too often in big games.
Cant claim likes of Roma were a better team that season or Atletico before them or even Juventus.
The issue was Barca players and Messi not being good enough too often in those big CL games.
A midfield so good it will live in the pantheon of Football history. The greatest Brazilian right back in history, and one of the best ever in general. Two of one of the best strikers of their generation in Eto'o and David Villa, the former having won 3 UCL titles in two different teams and being one of the greatest strikers in African history. One of the best CBs in the past 30 years in Spain. The best premier league player in history, though no longer at his prime was still immensely useful for the team. The best Brazilian winger of his generation. The best striker of the 2010s.
"Barcelona won their UCLs because of Messi."
Fanboys...man, fanboys.
^^^ And all this proves is that you can't function at the top without a well coached team full of top class players. That even with incredible players like Messi it is not possible to beat the other top teams without support from your team mates. Current Barca does not have a squad that is anywhere ner top class, and certainly not a coach that has any pedigree or frankly a clue! This has been the case for at least 5yrs now, but no the focus for some on here is to blame the one player that has kept them relevant.
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