Lionel Messi - v7

[bismp]

Leo has indeed missed some important penalties throughout the years,but the really important ones were vs Chelsea in 2012 and vs Chile in 2016,maybe 2-3 others(eg vs Iceland in 2018)

But he has also MADE many important penalties in big games. Who can forget when he scored 2 penalties vs Real in 2014? And many others.

Obviously he is not the GOAT penalty taker, but he is decent one.

Also,despite not being really great this year, one could argue that he was an ELITE FK taker between 2016 and 2019, among the best ever. CR, who many users here tend to idolize, hasn't been a good FK taker the past 9-10 years

Finally,maybe IF he had scored the penalty, we would have challenged the game in the second half. Or maybe not. But it is kinda hypocritical to blame Messi after scoring THAT rocket. If CR had scored such a goal, all the CR-stans would have creamed their pants and would be posting appreciation posts for a month on social media On the other hand, it is just another great goal for Leo

 

[Vilarrubi]

Wasn’t a KO game but Ronaldo missed a key pen against Valencia in 2014/15. If he’d scored that would have been 3-2 win instead of 2-2 draw.

At the time there was only 3 games left in La Liga and if Madrid won all 3 they would have won the title. Madrid drawing that game instead of winning meant that we finished 1 point ahead of Madrid and won the title. So you can basically say that thanks to that Ronaldo pen miss he won us the treble. Cheers

 

[Windhook]

The only players who were world class level at Argentina NT were Mascherano, Di Maria, Aguero and Tevez speaking of Messi's NT career since 2005. Di Maria and Aguero both missed the WC 2014 final.

 

[KingLeo10]

Wasn’t a KO game but Ronaldo missed a key pen against Valencia in 2014/15. If he’d scored that would have been 3-2 win instead of 2-2 draw.

At the time there was only 3 games left in La Liga and if Madrid won all 3 they would have won the title. Madrid drawing that game instead of winning meant that we finished 1 point ahead of Madrid and won the title. So you can basically say that thanks to that Ronaldo pen miss he won us the treble. Cheers

Doesn't fit the agenda.

You'll have to repost this on a Barca forum...

 

[DonAK]

Wasn’t a KO game but Ronaldo missed a key pen against Valencia in 2014/15. If he’d scored that would have been 3-2 win instead of 2-2 draw.

At the time there was only 3 games left in La Liga and if Madrid won all 3 they would have won the title. Madrid drawing that game instead of winning meant that we finished 1 point ahead of Madrid and won the title. So you can basically say that thanks to that Ronaldo pen miss he won us the treble. Cheers

Also missed in the penalty shootout vs Chelsea when they won the CL after John Terry slipped and missed in the penalty shootout vs Bayern in 2012 I believe? When they were eliminated in the semi-final.

For some people all that matters is the last four to five years.

 

[Morten]

Wasn’t a KO game but Ronaldo missed a key pen against Valencia in 2014/15. If he’d scored that would have been 3-2 win instead of 2-2 draw.

At the time there was only 3 games left in La Liga and if Madrid won all 3 they would have won the title. Madrid drawing that game instead of winning meant that we finished 1 point ahead of Madrid and won the title. So you can basically say that thanks to that Ronaldo pen miss he won us the treble. Cheers

No, table finished 94 for Barca, 92 for us, so assuming this match was a win instead of a draw, thats equal on points.
League comparison vs knockout comparison sucks, btw, one league match isnt that important, you dont get 2nd chances in knockouts.

 

[KingLeo10]

Also missed in the penalty shootout vs Chelsea when they won the CL after John Terry slipped and missed in the penalty shootout vs Bayern in 2012 I believe? When they were eliminated in the semi-final.

For some people all that matters is the last four to five years.

I also think it's one thing to appreciate CR7 and another thing to turn coat and idolize him over Messi due to the last 4-5 years.

I had 0 respect for him when he was a tap-in merchant and stat-padded v the likes of Elche and Eibar. Then, at some point, he started dropping them goals in the big CL games and I changed my view to respect his accomplishments...while still preferring Messi.

There are, however, those who have made a complete heel turn on account of the last 4-5 years and now actively try to denigrate Messi while cartwheeling for CR7. Giving CR7 the benefit of the doubt before giving it to Messi as a Barcelona fan. Criticizing those who make memes about CR7 like that other day while calling Messi "Walkessi" ...

IMO, a lot of these posters are simply "Success FC" fans and are driven by the "alpha, beta" narrative. They've somehow managed to tie up their sense of identity to success in CL and the bragging rights that come with it and hurt way too personally that we aren't the top dogs anymore...I mean I care about the CL more than LL but I've also come to accept football cycles at this point. Waiting on the next one.

 

[KingLeo10]

No, table finished 94 for Barca, 92 for us, so assuming this match was a win instead of a draw, thats equal on points.
League comparison vs knockout comparison sucks, btw, one league match isnt that important, you dont get 2nd chances in knockouts.

You had the H2H advantage that season.

 

[Morten]

You had the H2H advantage that season.

Still, its stupid to compare penalties in league play compared to knockouts.
You have 38 games, one game doesnt decide anything, and what of the other matches Ronaldo decided, that suddenly dont count anymore?

 

[Vilarrubi]

Also missed in the penalty shootout vs Chelsea when they won the CL after John Terry slipped and missed in the penalty shootout vs Bayern in 2012 I believe? When they were eliminated in the semi-final.

For some people all that matters is the last four to five years.

He listed those but forgot the Valencia one. That one is fucking big, gave us the treble and no doubt helped us with confidence going into CL Final after winning La Liga.

Anyway... I believe there’s some recency bias going on with Ronaldo/Messi debate as Ronaldo’s peak was more recent. Conveniently forgetting his first few years at Madrid. Messi’s peak was by far better than Ronaldo’s and if there’s anything we’ve learnt is that they both need good teams around them to compete at a high level. Going out to Ajax, Lyon and Porto then getting out scored by a 36 year old Quagliarella, a La Liga flop Immobile and Zlatan scoring at a better goals per game ratio then he got injured. Feel like a lot of these guys fanboying Ronaldo haven’t watched him recently and still think because he’s getting goals he’s still similar to RM Ronaldo. Far from, he’s really tragic at times, declined in more or less everything except being in the right place at right time but still then he’s missing easy chances which he used to bury for fun.

 

[Morten]

He listed those but forgot the Valencia one. That one is fucking big, gave us the treble and no doubt helped us with confidence going into CL Final after winning La Liga.

Anyway... I believe there’s some recency bias going on with Ronaldo/Messi debate as Ronaldo’s peak was more recent. Conveniently forgetting his first few years at Madrid. Messi’s peak was by far better than Ronaldo’s and if there’s anything we’ve learnt is that they both need good teams around them to compete at a high level. Going out to Ajax, Lyon and Porto then getting out scored by a 36 year old Quagliarella, a La Liga flop Immobile and Zlatan scoring at a better goals per game ratio then he got injured. Feel like a lot of these guys fanboying Ronaldo haven’t watched him recently and still think because he’s getting goals he’s still similar to RM Ronaldo. Far from, he’s really tragic at times, declined in more or less everything except being in the right place at right time but still then he’s missing easy chances which he used to bury for fun.

This is basically face news.

 

[Vilarrubi]

No, table finished 94 for Barca, 92 for us, so assuming this match was a win instead of a draw, thats equal on points.
League comparison vs knockout comparison sucks, btw, one league match isnt that important, you dont get 2nd chances in knockouts.

Yeah sorry I read 2015/16 by accident. Still as KingLeo said it was a 2 point difference and you won 3-1 and we won 2-1 so you’d have won.....

I get what you’re saying, yeah if that pen had been earlier on in season it’s harsh to say league came down to that. But Valencia was your last hard game, two easy wins after that. So yeah if he’d scored that you’d have tied on points and won La Liga. Could have really knocked our confidence going into CL Final too.

 

[Morten]

Yeah sorry I read 2015/16 by accident. Still as KingLeo said it was a 2 point difference and you won 3-1 and we won 2-1 so you’d have won.....

I get what you’re saying, yeah if that pen had been earlier on in season it’s harsh to say league came down to that. But Valencia was your last hard game, two easy wins after that. So yeah if he’d scored that you’d have tied on points and won La Liga. Could have really knocked our confidence going into CL Final too.

I mean, if you want to blame the guy who scored 48 league goals for us losing the league, go ahead.

Its retarded logic though, and deep down you know.

 

[KingLeo10]

I mean, if you want to blame the guy who scored 48 league goals for us losing the league, go ahead.

Its retarded logic though, and deep down you know.

It's more logical to think that 2 points dropped in the 3rd to last game (with 2 easy games remaining) had direct consequences on the title outcome and Barca's treble than it is thinking it had no bearing just because the guy scored 48 goals over the course of the other 37 games in the league campaign.

It's an exercise in plausibility...and deep down you know.

There's a reason why people talk about certain key league games when talking about title chances. Anything can happen in the others yes. But far more often than not, the expected result (no xG intended before Birdy comes rolling in) happens in the easier games with titles on the line.

 

[Vilarrubi]

I mean, if you want to blame the guy who scored 48 league goals for us losing the league, go ahead.

Its retarded logic though, and deep down you know.

I don’t. Under those circumstances it’s fair and I’d blame Barca player just the same if it was other way round.

I get what you’re saying, harsh to blame it on that one moment when he scored 48 goals but that’s football. Comes down to individual moments.

If you’re honest with yourself if he’d have scored that do you think you’d have won La Liga?

P.s you won the last two games 4-1 and 7-3....