Lionel Messi - v7

[khaled_a_d]

Is the the correct translation, because going from this it sounds like Leo has already got one foot out the door.

From the video, it seemed Laporta wanted to encourage Messi to stay publicly while not doing a se quida with him. Just trying to be sightly polite there

 

[Messigician]

Its done

🚨🚨[ [MENTION=22463]Joan[/MENTION]Fontes ] | Leo Messi will sign a contract renewal with Bar?a within the first week of April

Can tell from Messi's reaction in the video he's staying folks

 

[te amo barca]

200m contract per year incoming.

 

[malvolio]

Messi won the domestic double and Ronaldo won the CL that season, not sure that qualifies as "anything of note"

you're right. don't know what i was thinking off

 

[malvolio]

Is this the correct translation, because going from this it sounds like Leo has already got one foot out the door.

considering he wanted to leave last summer and right now he can do whatever he wants, you could say he has one foot out the door.

but don't think he would appear at la porta's presentation if he wanted to leave.

 

[Vilarrubi]

 

[serghei]

** About Messi in La liga this season, he improved a lot. Kudos for that.

Each fan is different.
When I was a kid, I never cared too much about winning La Liga (or CDR) and I only waited for February, March, April for CL knockout games.
Competitive football for me was = CL knockout matches and a World cup, nothing else.
When Barca got KOd in KO games in 90s and early 00s, my thoughts were always: oh no, that's game over for me until the next season. I am not going to watch football or CL finals or other matches till the next February.

I didn't think: oh well, at least we'll win against Zaragoza or Salamanca on weekend and everything will be fine.

I know, each person is different. For some league competitions are the most important thing for them as fans.
For others it's the rivalry against Real and everything is fine as long as we are better than them.
For some others, it's the idolizing of specific players and their mental food is counting whether Messi will win Ballon D Or over CR7, as the main thing in that season, regardless of team's success.

Each fan is different and each has different thing which he sees as important.

My level of importance is roughly:
8 points, winning a World cup
6 points, Euros
4 Champions league
3 points, Copa America (some will jump on me, I just don't care that much about South American cup as a European)
1 point La Liga
0.2 points CDR and supercups
0 points Ballon D Or

In that sense, since I started to follow Barca in a CL around 1993 or 1994, a team from 2006 will always have a No1 spot in my heart since I waited for 12-13 years as a kid for that CL title.
About La ligas, of course that I am happy when we win them, but since I am not Spanish, I don't care too much about politics, Catalonia, history, hating on Madrid/Franco/Cr7.
Real Madrid for me aren't any better/worse/more hated than Bayern/Juve/Inter/City.

In that sense, I would trade 7-10 La ligas for 2 CLs in a hearbeat.

Regarding my harsher words about Messi, I am disappointed by his CL career.
I would discribe my views as:
You are walking on the street, someone comes to you and say: you are a lucky person, you will play a lottery with us. We will give you 3 cards:
1) if you pull a card no1, you will earn nothing
2) if you pull a card no2, you will earn a million dollars
3) if you pull a card no3, you will get 5 million dollars from us

And for me, Messi's CL career is = a card no2 when you earned 1 million dollars on a lottery.

On one hand, that is an awesome scenario, since you earned 1 million out of nowhere (and Messi was a gift for us who came out of nowhere).
But then, on the other hand, you might ask yourself: but I could have won 5 million dollars also...

Maybe I should be more humble and enjoy but that's how I feel.
You know that I am less interested about aesthetics and beautiful play and more leaned towards trophies and pure stats/numbers.

In that sense, if Messi was really the best ever, my sentiments are: he could have achieved way more in a CL.

Again, Messi and Cr7 are the first generation of top footballers who had a privilege to play for 15 years in a CL for top clubs.
Barca from 2005/06 to 2016/17 was either a favorite no1 for winning a CL or in top2 favorites.

On the other hand, CR7 is a way weaker footballer skill wise.
Yet he managed to win 5 CLs in the same time and even 4 CLs in 5 years.
And Barca didn't even lose once to Real Madrid in those years, but we got KOd by random so-so clubs who were usually later KOd by Madrid who didn't choke against them.

I could understand replies like: Messi is older today and our team is meh.
But in 2007, we were former champions.
In 2008, that was the same team.
From 2008-2012, the best team in a history.
In 2013, ok we had problems and injuries.
In 2014, a shitty form and a pressure due to a World cup.
2015-17, the most expensive attacking trio ever.

R9 never reached his potential due to injuries.
Ronaldinho ended his career too soon due to partying.
Adriano ended it due to father's death and partying.
Messi, well, for me, he just could have achieved way way more in a CL in younger days, based on his skills.

This could be a textbook example of a glass either half full or half empty.
For Catalinutz, the glass is half full.
For me it's half empty when looking at our CL history in Messi's career.

And please, don't try to mention/explain La liga titles/goals.
Those are awesome.
But for me, CL is the ring for the greatest, that's what matters the most.
That's how my football brain/heart works.

Messi underachieved a bit in the CL, career-wise, considering his skill. He should have won about 2 more, and he has himself to blame for that for sure, really had quite a few big games in the CL where he didn't turn up. That's the only thing I can agree with from this comment.

CL is the most valuable, but 2010s La Liga / mid to late 00s Premier League / 90s Serie A. Basically the premier, elite leagues, are not that far off and are in some ways harder to win (in other ways easier). The competition in these hard leagues is basically some of the best teams in Europe as well. The difference is the format: marathon-like (based on consistency over the season), compared with a sprint (based on luck, peaking at the right time, refereeing, kind/bad draws etc.).

You're biting hard on that CL marketing with this view. Let's just disconsider 85-90% of somebody's body of work career-wise, because of the CL glamour. And even then, in CL, Messi is among the most decorated players.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Think we got used to winning so many league titles. Ask an honest Madrid fan how annoying it is us winning so many and them winning so few in recent years.

Zidane said after first La Liga and this recent one that he prefers his league wins to Champions League wins. Shows how underrated it is. He knows that to win La Liga you need to be consistent and he’s battling against Messi and what Barca does every week. Not knock out games where anything could happen.


Obviously times have changed and CL has more glory nowadays, no one thinks a league title is worth as much or more than CL but this GOAT explained it nicely:

P.s he won two European Cups back to back.

 

[SmilerBam]

Why would people would compare Messi to those two poachers is beyond me.MESSI is the heart and soul of this team, creatively and goalscoring wise.Ronaldo and Lewandoski are obly goalscorers.Put them out from the box and they are lost.

 

[FCBarca]

From the video, it seemed Laporta wanted to encourage Messi to stay publicly while not doing a se quida with him. Just trying to be sightly polite there

Agreed, the video gives the appropriate context & reactions to really get the right feel. What it means? I still contend it's unclear. You could make an argument that he remains more out than in which is how I interpreted the situation even before Laporta's election due to all the well documented sporting reasons

Laporta always said he would do his best and had hoped there was still time to convince him suggesting again the player was more out than in. We'll see. I like to see the player smiling both on & off the pitch which bodes well but just as easily could be part of his departure via the front door rather than an acrimonious exit

 

[Messigician]

Poor Messi

Luis Suarez has failed to score in 25 consecutive UCL matches on the road.

His last UCL away goal was in 2015 😱

 

[malvolio]

Think we got used to winning so many league titles. Ask an honest Madrid fan how annoying it is us winning so many and them winning so few in recent years.

Zidane said after first La Liga and this recent one that he prefers his league wins to Champions League wins. Shows how underrated it is. He knows that to win La Liga you need to be consistent and he’s battling against Messi and what Barca does every week. Not knock out games where anything could happen.

plus it isn't about messi doing his best or not every time. he did all he could vs liverpool and got nothing out of it. not to mention what he did over the years for us to even be in contention to battle for that trophy.

no iniesta goal and it's bye bye CL in 2009. no volcano in 2010 and it' probably barca winning 3 CLs back to back.

same thing could be said about ronaldo - he didn't do enough to win a couple more league titles in spain.

 

[Messi983]

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Poor Messi

Luis Suarez has failed to score in 25 consecutive UCL matches on the road.

His last UCL away goal was in 2015 ��

Against PSG? oooooh these were two worldclass goals. He made David Luiz into his bitch.

 

[FCBfan22]

Against PSG? oooooh these were two worldclass goals. He made David Luiz into his bitch.

That 2nd goal is probably my favourite Suarez goal in Barca jersey.