bismp
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What? Last season he was definitely worse than this one.
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What? Last season he was definitely worse than this one.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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73 goals damn, braces and hattricks left and right, dont think anyone will break this record in next 50 years.
serghei
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I don't think you can view another season except 10-11 as his best. His performances in the 5-0 Clasico, the CL Clasico double, and the Wembley final are the best football he's ever played imo against elite competition. 2015 comes close imo, but in the CL final, while he was good, it was nowhere near the sublime performance of Wembley.
KingLeo10
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2014-2015 has that Bayern SF tie though, where his performance over the 2 legs was > his performance over the 2 legs against RM. But then again, a top performance versus RM in the CL SF...is twice the value regardless
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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His best season was imo 10-11, he was just unplayable that time. Second was 14-15 and third 11-12.
Windhook
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Also 2010-11 for me. He was unbelievable in that season, not just the goals, but the speed and finesse. Having David Villa as this predator partner also took Messi's game to another level. Captain Tsubasa stuff (including his hairstyle). The goal against Real Madrid in CL 1/2 finals is unforgettable part of my life, watching it live, I was like this with my roommates:
). The goal against Real Madrid in CL 1/2 finals is unforgettable part of my life, watching it live, I was like this with my roommates:
Vilarrubi
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Imagine going to Bernabeu and scoring THAT goal (and another) in a CL Semi Final....... the cheek of it.
KingLeo10
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Would be immense for his legacy if he can lead us to a league title this season, and maybe another in the next two years (provided he stays).
You could see how much the younger generation cherished winning with him (Copa) and if he can guide the next generation like R10 did with him, bonus legacy points.
You could see how much the younger generation cherished winning with him (Copa) and if he can guide the next generation like R10 did with him, bonus legacy points.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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I dont think it will boost his legacy much if wins another la liga title. The only way to boost it is to win CL or better to win a title with argentinia.
serghei
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2014-2015 has that Bayern SF tie though, where his performance over the 2 legs was > his performance over the 2 legs against RM. But then again, a top performance versus RM in the CL SF...is twice the value regardless
Don't think so tbh. That Madrid semifinal was tough as nails, I could feel it during the game, the pressure was insane, and there were basically a couple of decent chances all game until Messi sentenced the tie with those goals. I feel that, after the 5-0 Classico, Madrid really were a different team, Mourinho was so shaken by that defeat that he brought the best he could come up with in terms of elite management, and that was peak Mourinho mind you (2010-12 was his best period). Their level in the late 2010-11 season and 2011-12 was very very high. I see that Madrid as superior to the injury-ridden Bayern from 2014-15.
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bismp
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10-11 is definitely among the top seasons(=>GOAT level),but you have to consider that that team had prime Xavi,prime Iniesta,prime Alves,prime Pedro,lethal Villa etc coached by Pep. I mean EVERYTHING was clicking and working perfectly,so it was "easier" for Leo to shine and perform at an alien level.
Compare this to EV teams for example
I think that his dribbling was definitely A LOT better those days,as his acceleration and quick movements were out of this world.
His passing IQ was even back then great,but I tend to believe that he mastered that skill a little bit further on during his career(14/15 comes to mind)
Obviously his freekicks back then were considerably below his level(15/16 to 18/19 was his peak)
Finally his finishing has been mostly at the same level during the past 10-11 seasons. The thing is that he changed the way he scores goals. If you watch highlights from back then,most goals were solo efforts or clever exploitation of space made possible by his teammates or even tiki taka goals.
A classic example is that up until ~2014 he scored many chip goals.
Nowadays he scores many goals outside the box,which was not the case back then.
Compare this to EV teams for example
I think that his dribbling was definitely A LOT better those days,as his acceleration and quick movements were out of this world.
His passing IQ was even back then great,but I tend to believe that he mastered that skill a little bit further on during his career(14/15 comes to mind)
Obviously his freekicks back then were considerably below his level(15/16 to 18/19 was his peak)
Finally his finishing has been mostly at the same level during the past 10-11 seasons. The thing is that he changed the way he scores goals. If you watch highlights from back then,most goals were solo efforts or clever exploitation of space made possible by his teammates or even tiki taka goals.
A classic example is that up until ~2014 he scored many chip goals.
Nowadays he scores many goals outside the box,which was not the case back then.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Full agree, the madrid side was waaay harder to beat than the injured bayern side in 2015. Real was really good that season with peak Mou magic and peak Ronaldo. They had beaten us in copa final 1-0 shortly before. If i remember correctly we werent so much better than madrid until Messi scored.
bismp
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It won't change much and it won't persuade anyone about anything,but if he leads this team to the double after the atrocious beginning of the season,it will definitely be viewed as a special achievement.
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