Messi has a contract where he leave whenever he wants and thats a problem. Other than iniesta and xavi with the same contract i feel messi would leave if something doesnt go his way or use his contract to pressure the board. In fact there were times when he even considerd to leave. You cant give a player so much power. Not sure if messi is right or not but his contract is a problem.
Lionel Messi - v7
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Raketa10
Senior Member
He won't leave with 33 on his back. No way. If he wanted to leave he would have done that few years ago. No way he'll go to England or France or Italy for the last 2 or 3 years of his career. A major fuckup within the club should happen for that. He also doesn't speak English which would make his life harder there no to mention that his family is way more comfortable in Barcelona. He will retire here I am almost sure of that.
As I said before we should completely rebuild this summer and use his last 2 or 3 years here to raise a new generation but this board won't have balls for that. I am almost sure they will keep Suarez, Busi and Pique and try once again with Neymar. They will probably try to sell Raki, Vidal, Coutinho and Dembele to finance Lautaro Martinez but that won't solve our problems since we also need one world class midfielder who can actually provide that final pass and a new CB. Above all that we'll need a manager who can establish some kind of authority since this "FC Circus" that we have right now is an embarrassment for the club with such a big history.
I am almost sure this circus will continue for two more years. One more year under this management and one year under the new one since it will take some time to start rebuilding when they take over. We will probably have to wait some time to see results after that.
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Imagine working for a burger company where your succeeding more than you should in terms of profits, you're not breaking any rules, you turn up on time. Meanwhile the company haven't invested in new equipment all year round whilst letting go of some spare parts that used to come in handy, the stuff they did invest in was pointless things that didn't suit what you do. They bought you 10 pizza ovens, 3 of which have broken down but you've always been a burger place, I guess you can cook the burgers in the pizza oven? Then the board member releases a press statement saying the workers are making the burgers taste shit lol.
Let's be honest Messi liked Valverde because he probably let him do what he wanted and kept Suarez in the team. Suarez loved Valverde because he always picked him and let the two of them stand around all game.
The rest of the squad knew he was no good (other than maybe some others who were kept in the team despite being finished).
The next few years and most of this decade will be bleak as the club will have to let all the old guard go - starting from this summer - and struggle to build a new team that can be as competitive.
The trade off might be Messi goes this summer but if he stays the trade off will be Suarez stays in the team and the board gets Neymar back.
Don't get me wrong Messi has carried the club for years but the ballon dor is the last thing he'll achieve in a Barca shirt.
The rest of the squad knew he was no good (other than maybe some others who were kept in the team despite being finished).
The next few years and most of this decade will be bleak as the club will have to let all the old guard go - starting from this summer - and struggle to build a new team that can be as competitive.
The trade off might be Messi goes this summer but if he stays the trade off will be Suarez stays in the team and the board gets Neymar back.
Don't get me wrong Messi has carried the club for years but the ballon dor is the last thing he'll achieve in a Barca shirt.
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Respekt_III
Anti-everything
Napoleon has nothing on our very own little dictator.
Abidal was stupid to mention anything in relation to the players wanting anything. It shouldn't be down to the players, the reason valverde lasted so long and club is in such a fucked up situation is because they listened to what the players wanted and didnt have the balls (barto the pussy) to make the calls in the best interests of the club.
Abidal should of just said that the decision to remove valverde was taken on sporting grounds.
Even though Abidal mentioned some players wanting Valverde gone, Messi has imo mis-interpreted that as an attack on himself for whatever reason, probably due to the fact that they had removed Valverde even though it was clear to all he wanted him to remain and he was/is clearly angry with the board for the whole Neymar/Valverde situations.
Messi is definitely in the wrong here despite what some people may think but the fault doesn't solely lie with him.
Abidal was stupid to mention anything in relation to the players wanting anything. It shouldn't be down to the players, the reason valverde lasted so long and club is in such a fucked up situation is because they listened to what the players wanted and didnt have the balls (barto the pussy) to make the calls in the best interests of the club.
Abidal should of just said that the decision to remove valverde was taken on sporting grounds.
Even though Abidal mentioned some players wanting Valverde gone, Messi has imo mis-interpreted that as an attack on himself for whatever reason, probably due to the fact that they had removed Valverde even though it was clear to all he wanted him to remain and he was/is clearly angry with the board for the whole Neymar/Valverde situations.
Messi is definitely in the wrong here despite what some people may think but the fault doesn't solely lie with him.
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JohnN
Senior Member
Well this is a shitstorm. I don't mind it though. Better expose every problem within the team because as long as there is bad blood we will go nowhere.
My take on this, is that Abidal should not have made that statement.
And by that statement, I mean this: "Many were not satisfied and did not work hard". Are we serious?
You cannot say this about your players, ever. Messi replying was the right thing to do here. I really don't get why he is criticised for it.
If someone makes such claims, he should provide the names of the players that "did not work hard".
Saying that Messi is in the wrong here is mind boggling. What is he supposed to do? Let the board abstractly blame "many" players? Who are those guys? It is a stupid, stupid statement.
My take on this, is that Abidal should not have made that statement.
And by that statement, I mean this: "Many were not satisfied and did not work hard". Are we serious?
You cannot say this about your players, ever. Messi replying was the right thing to do here. I really don't get why he is criticised for it.
If someone makes such claims, he should provide the names of the players that "did not work hard".
Saying that Messi is in the wrong here is mind boggling. What is he supposed to do? Let the board abstractly blame "many" players? Who are those guys? It is a stupid, stupid statement.
Respekt_III
Anti-everything
It's an even dumber statement to ask for players names, that's not leading to anything productive and only adding fuel to the fire. He has every right to go directly to Abidal/Barto and demand an explination in private, not over some social platform.
His vocal and immediate reaction to this is most likely (considering the circumstances) motivated by the board making decisions that he does not approve of.
Total-Football
Senior Member
Truth be told i never liked Abidal.. I remember he was whining a while back about the club when the club did everything correct regarding his health issue and beyond.
JohnN
Senior Member
Had to dig deep to make find this gem and keep it relevant.
You mean like last season? Because "recent seasons" include that.
Asylum15
Senior Member
And not to sound too dramatic but this is my biggest disappointment with him, overall.
There are surely more layers to this than we can see but Valverde had to go and when he eventually did, it was probably a season and a half too late.
A part of me doesn't have an issue with Abidal saying it how he sees it, God knows we need it, we've become a bunch of comfortable, non ambitious deadwood, at all levels of the club. However, this is something that could have been said internally, not to mention called Xavi a lier etc.
However, for Leo to only speak out now when he had NUMEROUS times he could have done so, post Roma, post Liverpool, he stayed silent and supported EV after catastrophic collapses which showed worrying levels of psychological strength and a lack of plan or direction.
Leo/Abidal are both at fault for this incident but I'm way more pissed with Messi as a captain than I am Abidal as a director.
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Barcilliant
Senior Member
My feeling is Abidal was sick of the politics within the club and swung for the fences in the interview. He probably should have done this privately but he must have felt his position was under threat so he exposed what really is going on. To be fair to Abidal under a decent manager most of the players he signed would have performed well. Im sure he was one of the people within the club who wanted Dickverde out but Barto and the players stood by Dickverde and he had to stand down.
Messi suddenly decides to throw the toys out of the pram. He should have done that after Roma debacle. Like I mentioned earlier everyone has played a role in the decline of the clubs fortunes.
So what happened to any manager can make Barca Great again. This is being posted here everyday weeks ago.
malvolio
Senior Member
Well nobody from our board back then said publicly that the players didn't train hard enough.
People always ask for Messi to speak up, but when he eventually does it(in his defense) they call him a dictator.
So Messi comes out with apologies after the two CL eliminations - normal thing to do as a captain.
Messi doesn't trash talks the manager, board or other players in the media - again, normal thing to do.
Messi responds to the shit Abidal spilled in the press - normal thing to do when someone implies stuff that you feel is not true, at least for you
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