Lionel Messi - v7

[FinBarcelonafan]

His post-match comments are quite funny.
The biggest contributor to Barca playing at low intensity and lacking off the ball movement says that Barca plays at low intensity and has to improve.

Exactly.. Not sure what he means by that. Everyone else should run more for him? He is playing wrong role.

 

[Richard.H]

By the time that team is ready he will be 35/36 and walk even more.
Messi is the goat to me but he is to blame for this situation as well.
He prefers comfort and playing with his friends over the best interest of the club and ruthless ambition.
Why else would he otherwise back a spineless enabler like VValverde?

He cant really believe you can keep valverde, have amigo-s run the club and not get humiliated on the pitch for it?
If he is pissed now he will be going insane once Bayern trash us. If we get by Napoli it will be worse than 7-up

I think my concern is he's not aware that the game has changed and he's not quite adapted. He fails to realize that even one player walking on the pitch now is a huge hindrance when playing against extremely physical sides like Liverpool, Man City, and Bayern. He either acknowledges this and accepts that he needs to be surrounded by workhorse players, or continue in ignorance and believe it's only the coach/1-2 players that are the problem.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

By the time that team is ready he will be 35/36 and walk even more.
Messi is the goat to me but he is to blame for this situation as well.
He prefers comfort and playing with his friends over the best interest of the club and ruthless ambition.
Why else would he otherwise back a spineless enabler like VValverde?

He cant really believe you can keep valverde, have amigo-s run the club and not get humiliated on the pitch for it?
If he is pissed now he will be going insane once Bayern trash us. If we get by Napoli it will be worse than 7-up

That's something Messi lacks what Ronaldo has, ruthless ambition. Of course, I think Messi is a better person but in football it benefits to be ruthless, especially when it comes to building team and dropping players.

 

[Daisymorr]

You might be correct about how long it will take the club to turn it around but I think a signing that excites him might bring the best out of him.
I agree that the players have too much power at the club and that might deter TOP managers from wanting to take the job.
If the club want to turn this around, they have to show backbone and stand up to these older players, but its unlikely from this board.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Without Messi we will be worse for sure, but he and his friends need to leave for us to get better eventually. There is absolutely no chance of us improving with him and his friends still here.

 

[ThwiX]

Nah you are one kidding yourself.

No top coach would come to this Barca with this group of older players with such power.

The team is tactically not flexible, risk of being coach that sees Messi leave and if win Messi gets all the credit.

Not happening.

No shit, man, that’s just how it works whether you like it or not. Didn’t stop the most narcissistic douche in all of football, CR7, from having great coaches for almost the entirety of his career. And I disagree, if there were top coaches available, and this board would stop only hiring former players and mid-table La Liga coaches, they would come running for this job.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

I think my concern is he's not aware that the game has changed and he's not quite adapted. He fails to realize that even one player walking on the pitch now is a huge hindrance when playing against extremely physical sides like Liverpool, Man City, and Bayern. He either acknowledges this and accepts that he needs to be surrounded by workhorse players, or continue in ignorance and believe it's only the coach/1-2 players that are the problem.

Amen man. Is there any other top player who walks after losing the ball? I can't thibk of anyone.

 

[Richard.H]

Stop kidding yourself. Top coaches love challenges, that’s what makes them just that, a top coach. Plus, not many would be able to say no the kind of money we offer our coaches. A real great manager would come here and get rid of Messi’s amigos, tell him that’s how it’s going to be whether he likes it or not.

You are a bit naive if you think a top coach would only demand a squad overhaul. He will also ask for more effort out of Messi or to only stick to RW which will surely rile him up at this point of his career. Only way this works is if a new manager covers Messi with absolute workhorse players.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Without Messi we will be worse for sure, but he and his friends need to leave for us to get better eventually. There is absolutely no chance of us improving with him and his friends still here.

Exactly and his amigos are getting worse season by season. The decline started few years ago. Soon starts the proper downfall, maybe this is the first step.

 

[JamDav1982]

No shit, man, that’s just how it works whether you like it or not. Didn’t stop the most narcissistic douche in all of football, CR7, from having great coaches for almost the entirety of his career. And I disagree, if there were top coaches available, and this board would stop only hiring former players and mid-table La Liga coaches, they would come running for this job.

CR7 never had the power these players do and was happy to leave. He also did not make the team tactically difficult to work with.

Ronaldo was type that was happy enough to move on if club wanted him to as his ego said would make them pay if move on.

No top coach will touch it.

Who do you suggest?

 

[JohnN]

Hardly.... have you not read what folk say about Suarez, Bsquets, Rakitic etc weekly?

Certain people try to take any crticism of Messi and make out he being held as only one to blame would be more accurate.

Messi supporting Ernesto "#thecancer" Valverde, so he is to blame for the team playing badly and losing the CL in 2019.
Messi criticised our level of play, and that's why EV was sacked - even though he supported him.
Messi wants his bff to always play, so he is to blame for the team playing badly - his BFF has scored 15 goals.
Messi ignores the coaches and plays wherever he wants, so he is to blame for the teams bad shape and lack of movement.
Messi doesn't defend and walks around aimlessly. That's why we conceed a lot but don't score goals.
Messi plays too deep and hinders our other midfielders' "creativity" - midfielders like Rakitic, Vidal, Busquets and Sergi Roberto, all great assist men and line breakers.
Messi plays too far right, and doesn't get involved because he is sulking and doesn't make runs to receive amazing balls from said midfielders.
Messi is a bad captain, that's why Barca post Xavi and Iniesta started declining.
Hey, also freaking Argentina declined because he became the captain, did you know?
Messi doens't like Griezmann, doens't pass to him on purpose and that's why Griezmann has been poor.
He controls our lineups and transfer policies, as it is evident, since he wanted Griezmann to come - and he did - even if he doesn't like him, he decided that he should join, only to not pass to him out of spite.

These are only a little portion of the things that are being said around here about Messi.

Check out the negative things said about:
- Busquets: He was always slow, but is too slow now to be playing a CDM at a high level. He is ok for smaller games.
- Vidal: He is too aggressive and leaves many open spaces. Has a bad first touch and bad close passing.
- Rakitic: He is constantly hiding and always back passes. He has also become too slow.
- Suarez: He is too fat / slow. He doesn't make many runs. He misplaces a ton of passes and breaks up the build up. He is Messi's friend.

Spot the difference?

 

[Luftstalag14]

Exactly and his amigos are getting worse season by season. The decline started few years ago. Soon starts the proper downfall, maybe this is the first step.

With Messi and his friends it has been the same old listless and lifeless rut, lacking motivations and efforts and almost everything it takes to win football games these days. They are only relying on moments of brilliance and trickery here and there and those are starting to dwindle too, expectedly with them aging. With Messi and his friends we will always be like this deadwood, no matter who is in charge. I suspect not even Pep can turn things around.

I hope we don?t foolishly offer Messi a big bump in his new contract. I?d rather see him walk at the end of this contract and we start anew. A total reboot.

 

[JamDav1982]

Messi supporting Ernesto "#thecancer" Valverde, so he is to blame for the team playing badly and losing the CL in 2019.
Messi criticised our level of play, and that's why EV was sacked - even though he supported him.
Messi wants his bff to always play, so he is to blame for the team playing badly - his BFF has scored 15 goals.
Messi ignores the coaches and plays wherever he wants, so he is to blame for the teams bad shape and lack of movement.
Messi doesn't defend and walks around aimlessly. That's why we conceed a lot but don't score goals.
Messi plays too deep and hinders our other midfielders' "creativity" - midfielders like Rakitic, Vidal, Busquets and Sergi Roberto, all great assist men and line breakers.
Messi plays too far right, and doesn't get involved because he is sulking and doesn't make runs to receive amazing balls from said midfielders.
Messi is a bad captain, that's why Barca post Xavi and Iniesta started declining.
Hey, also freaking Argentina declined because he became the captain, did you know?
Messi doens't like Griezmann, doens't pass to him on purpose and that's why Griezmann has been poor.
He controls our lineups and transfer policies, as it is evident, since he wanted Griezmann to come - and he did - even if he doesn't like him, he decided that he should join, only to not pass to him out of spite.

These are only a little portion of the things that are being said around here about Messi.

Check out the negative things said about:
- Busquets: He was always slow, but is too slow now to be playing a CDM at a high level. He is ok for smaller games.
- Vidal: He is too aggressive and leaves many open spaces. Has a bad first touch and bad close passing.
- Rakitic: He is constantly hiding and always back passes. He has also become too slow.
- Suarez: He is too fat / slow. He doesn't make many runs. He misplaces a ton of passes and breaks up the build up. He is Messi's friend.

Spot the difference?

Made up a lot of shit there.

Well played.

Who has ever said this.....'Messi supporting Ernesto "#thecancer" Valverde, so he is to blame for the team playing badly and losing the CL in 2019'

Quote it.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Messi supporting Ernesto "#thecancer" Valverde, so he is to blame for the team playing badly and losing the CL in 2019.
Messi criticised our level of play, and that's why EV was sacked - even though he supported him.
Messi wants his bff to always play, so he is to blame for the team playing badly - his BFF has scored 15 goals.
Messi ignores the coaches and plays wherever he wants, so he is to blame for the teams bad shape and lack of movement.
Messi doesn't defend and walks around aimlessly. That's why we conceed a lot but don't score goals.
Messi plays too deep and hinders our other midfielders' "creativity" - midfielders like Rakitic, Vidal, Busquets and Sergi Roberto, all great assist men and line breakers.
Messi plays too far right, and doesn't get involved because he is sulking and doesn't make runs to receive amazing balls from said midfielders.
Messi is a bad captain, that's why Barca post Xavi and Iniesta started declining.
Hey, also freaking Argentina declined because he became the captain, did you know?
Messi doens't like Griezmann, doens't pass to him on purpose and that's why Griezmann has been poor.
He controls our lineups and transfer policies, as it is evident, since he wanted Griezmann to come - and he did - even if he doesn't like him, he decided that he should join, only to not pass to him out of spite.

These are only a little portion of the things that are being said around here about Messi.

Check out the negative things said about:
- Busquets: He was always slow, but is too slow now to be playing a CDM at a high level. He is ok for smaller games.
- Vidal: He is too aggressive and leaves many open spaces. Has a bad first touch and bad close passing.
- Rakitic: He is constantly hiding and always back passes. He has also become too slow.
- Suarez: He is too fat / slow. He doesn't make many runs. He misplaces a ton of passes and breaks up the build up. He is Messi's friend.

Spot the difference?

Most of those things are true and fair to say. Messi is genius but he comes with many problems too.

Messi is blamed more because we have the highest possible standard for him. Others don't compare to him. It's not like Messi is the biggest problem but he is part of it!

 

[malvolio]

Spot the difference?

You forgot the latest scenario cooked up by JamDav - top coach doesn't want the job because Messi is in ths club and if he would join the trophies/glory would be all on Messi.
Really can't make this shit up

I say we crucify Messi tomorrow, in front of the Camp Nou and purge the club of this demon that sucks yhe life out of it!