Not doubting that but can't see anyone pay 180m or anything close to that.
Lionel Messi - v7
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Not doubting that but can't see anyone pay 180m or anything close to that.
Messigician
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How can people watch Messi and think he was trying in the Bayern game.
I've watched enough of Messi to know when he's trying ( Barca Liverpool 3-0 Win)
And when he's a passenger (Atletico 2016, Bayern 2020)
I've watched enough of Messi to know when he's trying ( Barca Liverpool 3-0 Win)
And when he's a passenger (Atletico 2016, Bayern 2020)
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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P$G has many problems but money isnt one.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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He started well and looked like he wants to win but after the 3-1 he gave up.
Messigician
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Plays the same for Argentina vs difficult opposition.
Messi has GOAT talent without GOAT mentality.
Messigician
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Neymar and Mbappe were pressing and winning the ball while being 3 goals up in the champions league.
Anyway I do not blame Messi, Valverde knew how to motivate and keep him happy.
Sacking EV was the biggest mistake this club ever made and probably leads to Messi winning and us going trophyless again
Anyway I do not blame Messi, Valverde knew how to motivate and keep him happy.
Sacking EV was the biggest mistake this club ever made and probably leads to Messi winning and us going trophyless again
That mentality thing gets blown out of proportion. His last CL campaign was as good as it gets, but theres only so much a single player can do when his team (like Argentina) is not competitive. We failed him more than he failed us. If we went for Kroos instead of Rakitic, a real lw (not Griezmann or Coutinho) and a ballwinner in midfield I am pretty sure things would look different. But in a sport with 11 players on each side a failing transfer strategy gets punished. Its not like Ronaldo, Neymar, Mbappe or whoever would have won more with this team.
Barcilliant
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Is Messi a servant of the club or does the club exist to serve him?
Fans here will always be grateful for the trophies and magic moments. In fact the club and the fans may have indulged him too much.
Football is about the present. We got humiliated for a third consecutive season and in the worst way possible.
I can't remember which goal it was (don't want to see the highlights again) but Messi gets disposed and just stands there like a statue. Is it beneath him to win back a ball HE lost?
He's becoming more of a burden than an asset and its only going to get worse.
He needs a change of scenery
We need to rebuild and the youngsters need to develop without the burden of serving him.
We need money so a sale would help
We can get rid of his huge wages
This is FC Barcelona not FC Messi.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Remove Messi and put Mbappe/Mane/Gnabry instead, do you actually believe they will make a difference at Barca ?
malvolio
Senior Member
You've provided a poor example there. They weren't trailing 2-5. They were up 3-0, against a shittier team than Bayern.
Furthermore PSG has a system in place, with young players and a decent manager. Neymar or Mbappe don't have to carry that team on their own. They got goals from defenders and midfielders.
Also, they have finally reached the final, after an easy run of games, after years of humiliations.
Sorin
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Who the hell said otherwise? You completely misunderstood the point of my post.
I am of the opinion that we should move on from Messi. Get what you can for him now and rebuild. Doesn't mean we have to make up stuff to blame him for like some frustrated folks around here do 24/7.
he's the least to blame for our problems, the fact that he's even made to be one of the main culprits is telling about the frustrations and insecurities of some posters around here. If the board would have hired world class managers and had a plan and we would still be trashed by the likes of Liverpool and Bayern then yeah, you could call out Messi, but then we know what we got from Barto and the gang and the team that he put around him. Don't want to hear amigos once again since it all stems from the board once again.
fergus90
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The problem is that Barca have become FC Messi, we have hid behind him for everything and whilst the house has been burning down the club stood there doing nothing because we have Messi. The reality is at 33, having Messi is not enough, in fact having just Messi at 27 wouldn't be enough, he was always the main piece of a very top quality system.
The problem is with being so legendary at a club, you are excused of certain responsibilities that the rest of the team have to do, e.g pressing the ball and contributing defensively, you combine that with Suarez who does the same and you have two 33 year olds with nowhere near enough intensity against top teams, we are defending with 8 men. Of course the counter argument is well he provides so many assists and goals so he should be given liberties, but there is a middle ground to be had. Messi could shirk responsibilities more if we didn't have at least 6 other players in the starting line up who are physically past their peak too.
I feel when players like De Jong who are new to the club bemoan the intensity, almost want to admit that it's players like Messi and Suarez that aren't doing they're bit and handicapping the team in the process. Messi is the greatest player of all time, has done more for Barca than any player could ever imagine but he should not be exempt from TEAM responsibilities.
The problem is with being so legendary at a club, you are excused of certain responsibilities that the rest of the team have to do, e.g pressing the ball and contributing defensively, you combine that with Suarez who does the same and you have two 33 year olds with nowhere near enough intensity against top teams, we are defending with 8 men. Of course the counter argument is well he provides so many assists and goals so he should be given liberties, but there is a middle ground to be had. Messi could shirk responsibilities more if we didn't have at least 6 other players in the starting line up who are physically past their peak too.
I feel when players like De Jong who are new to the club bemoan the intensity, almost want to admit that it's players like Messi and Suarez that aren't doing they're bit and handicapping the team in the process. Messi is the greatest player of all time, has done more for Barca than any player could ever imagine but he should not be exempt from TEAM responsibilities.
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Like sorin said, it's not like i dont agree that it's already time to refresh and start from zero again.. but people keep talking trash, bringing the 'messi gave up too easily' again and again, when the fact that it's not only him, but most of our players did.
Didn't one of the poster posted the pic that show De jong being banged by bayern guys while there are no players closing down, asking for the ball or anything. That shows that the team was mentally broken at one time of the game. So it's not only Messi.
Coutinho was scoring against an already dead opponent, enemy soldiers who stabbed a dead body.
Didn't one of the poster posted the pic that show De jong being banged by bayern guys while there are no players closing down, asking for the ball or anything. That shows that the team was mentally broken at one time of the game. So it's not only Messi.
Coutinho was scoring against an already dead opponent, enemy soldiers who stabbed a dead body.
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