Lionel Messi - v7

[BBZ8800]

Maradona has failed more than he won and he is regarded as the goat, hell the guy couldn't win CL. He failed as every damn foobtaller in history.

Maradona played in Champions cup like twice in his life, right?

Back then only 1 club per country participated.
Today players of Real and Barca get 15 CL chances in their careers.

No wonder that current best players have more CLs than similar players from 70s, 80s or 90s like Cruijff, Maradona, Van Basten.
Even Ronaldinho played only a few times in a CL.

 

[JohnN]

Not turning up to training? You can choose sides whether Barto is right or wrong in holding him against his will but you have a contract to fulfill, and if we don't let you leave, you come and train regardless.

Messi supports he doesn't have a contract though, so by going to the training he would admit he does have a contract. Pretty simple. Let's wait until the meeting.

 

[Raketa10]

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[Raketa10]

Watch us improve instantly when the amigos are gone.. Without buying anyone. Just field in 11 humble players in the pitch and u ll see wonders.

Yeah we will rule the world with Dembele, Lenglet, Semedo and Pjanic.

 

[JamDav1982]

Ronaldo has more assists in CL than Messi and has problems on teams not knowing how to defend.., sit deep he can kill you from crosses... sit high and can break in behind with pace.

This idea that Ronaldo does not influence games unless scored is nonsense.

As bad as claim that teams double/treble up on Messi but don?t bother to do same for Ronaldo. The reason for that is movement, and where they look to get on ball.

Messi best ever on ball and Ronaldo best ever off it that teams in CL have struggled to contain more.

 

[KingLeo10]

Maradona played in Champions cup like twice in his life, right?

Back then only 1 club per country participated.
Today players of Real and Barca get 15 CL chances in their careers.

No wonder that current best players have more CLs than similar players from 70s, 80s or 90s like Cruijff, Maradona, Van Basten.
Even Ronaldinho played only a few times in a CL.

The argument works both ways. Longer time in the CL also means you don't play a lot of those years at your peak/team's peak.

For instance, if Messi only got to the CL when Barca were strong (1st in LL), he would have had less CL exits with probably the same amount of successes.

So, the conclusion you drew above is not quite complete.

 

[Raketa10]

Stats, stats, stats fucking hell bunch of robots.

One of Messi best performance for us in a CL tie was against Manchester City in 2015. He barely registered with an asist at home, but home and away he made the likes of Neymar and Suarez look like second rate footballers.against Liverpool last year, he put 3 golden chances on a platter for 3 eunuchs. To limit what Messi does and has done to stats is dumb and anyone who does should be ignored.

In his prime there was no player who demanded more attention than Messi, often being marked man to man and with 2 or 3 other players shadowing him. There wasn't one other player that didn't benefit from Messi garnering so much attention.

Also there is no player out there that hasn't failed. Maradona has failed more than he won and he is regarded as the goat, hell the guy couldn't win CL. He failed as every damn foobtaller in history.

Spot on!

 

[Givenchy]

Ronaldo has more assists in CL than Messi and has problems on teams not knowing how to defend.., sit deep he can kill you from crosses... sit high and can break in behind with pace.

This idea that Ronaldo does not influence games unless scored is nonsense.

As bad as claim that teams double/treble up on Messi but don?t bother to do same for Ronaldo. The reason for that is movement, and where they look to get on ball.

Messi best ever on ball and Ronaldo best ever off it that teams in CL have struggled to contain more.

Kinda how they discount his penalty goals. imagine if Messi had scored that pen vs Chelsea.. just saying, every goal counts.

Messi is the GOAT but Ronaldo has done amazingly well to run him close

 

[malvolio]

Watch us improve instantly when the amigos are gone.. Without buying anyone. Just field in 11 humble players in the pitch and u ll see wonders.

Funny how people got on the Bar?a bandwagon for the stars and beautiful football and now are eager to see us humble and hard-working

You're mistaking clubs, mate.

 

[Rory]

Stats aside between the two. Let?s count how many seasons in the UCL Messi or Ronaldo were superior.

2007/2008 Ronaldo
2008/2009 Messi
2009/2010 Messi
2010/2011 Messi
2011/2012 even
2012/2013 even
2013/2014 Ronaldo
2014/2015 Messi
2015/2016 Ronaldo
2016/2017 Ronaldo
2017/2018 Ronaldo
2018/2019 Messi
2019/2020 even

 

[Total-Football]

Yeah we will rule the world with Dembele, Lenglet, Semedo and Pjanic.

I did not say we Wil compete or play amazing or anything of the sort.. I just said we will be better.. Because it's easy to be better at this moment.

 

[BBZ8800]

The argument works both ways. Longer time in the CL also means you don't play a lot of those years at your peak/team's peak.

For instance, if Messi only got to the CL when Barca were strong (1st in LL), he would have had less CL exits with probably the same amount of successes.

So, the conclusion you drew above is not quite complete.

I don't agree, but...

A lot of factors are in favor of current players.
Imo, stats from both Messi and Cr7 are inflated.
In league, big teams are too rich and they statpad on smaller clubs.
In a CL, they play 200+ matches in career.

No wonder that both Messi and Cr7 broke all records.

Even Lewa has better numbers than Batistuta and Van Basten combined.
That explains enough about inflation of numbers of current players.

Huge differences in a league.
Million of CL matches.

 

[MagIX]

Good post. People try and compare him too much with Ronaldo. If Messi doesn't score, he is still capable of being man of the match. If Ronaldo doesn't score, he is anonymous.

exactly

Most Man of the Match Awards Won in Europe since 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIqudhd1W54

https://www.sportbible.com/football...match-awards-since-the-201011-season-20190716

 

[serghei]

I don't agree, but...

A lot of factors are in favor of current players.
Imo, stats from both Messi and Cr7 are inflated.
In league, big teams are too rich and they statpad on smaller clubs.
In a CL, they play 200+ matches in career.

No wonder that both Messi and Cr7 broke all records.

Even Lewa has better numbers than Batistuta and Van Basten combined.
That explains enough about inflation of numbers of current players.

Huge differences in a league.
Million of CL matches.

Exactly all the numbers are skewed because the conditions are very different. In the past, strikers like Batistuta for example had no chance to even get close to those numbers. If he played for 2015 Barca next to Neymar and Messi, meeting the likes of Levante and Betis and Granada, Batistuta would score 40 goals a season.

That's why I don't like to compare eras.

 

[KingLeo10]

I don't agree, but...

A lot of factors are in favor of current players.
Imo, stats from both Messi and Cr7 are inflated.
In league, big teams are too rich and they statpad on smaller clubs.
In a CL, they play 200+ matches in career.

No wonder that both Messi and Cr7 broke all records.

Even Lewa has better numbers than Batistuta and Van Basten combined.
That explains enough about inflation of numbers of current players.

Huge differences in a league.
Million of CL matches.

I have no problem with Messi and CR7 being brought "down" (considering their 6 and 5 Ballon D'Or counts) to the level of Maradona, Cruyff, R9 and co. career wise.

But your argument (from my POV) reads more that you think this era pales in comparison to the older eras, which I don't agree with, if that is the argument you're making.