Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi V2

[Horatio]

which one is this?

 

[soul24rage]

which one is this?

FIFA World Cup 2022.

jk

vs Netherlands game I believe

 

[bismp]

Still feels like a dream

 

[soul24rage]

GOAT things

 

[TheStig]

Baldy is not even the best player or even midfielder of his club, let alone GOAT. The most overrated player in football history.

 

[malvolio]

Baldy is not even the best player or even midfielder of his club, let alone GOAT. The most overrated player in football history.

You're tripping or just watch football to count stats. Zidane was class.

Yes, he doesn't have the number of trophies that Modric or Kroos have, but that doesn't mean anything

 

[TheStig]

Stats? What does stats have to do with comparison between ZZ and Modrić? Modrić was simply better.

 

[malvolio]

Stats? What does stats have to do with comparison between ZZ and Modrić?

So Modric>Zidane then, just because?

 

[TheStig]

No, compare their careers (ability, especially longevity and trophies...) and I really don't see ZZ in front of Modrić.

ZZ was more elegant and had an aura about him but footballwise Modrić tops him. The only midfielder who can compare with Xavi/Iniesta.

 

[malvolio]

No, compare their careers (ability, especially longevity and trophies...) and I really don't see ZZ in front of Modrić.

ZZ was more elegant and had an aura about him but footballwise Modrić tops him. The only midfielder who can compare with Xavi/Iniesta.

So we're counting trophies or not? You said you're not talking about stats, yet you bring up number of trophies.

Zidane bossed prime Brazil, Modric wasn't even the best player at Madrid.

 

[TheStig]

Yeah I'll take 15+ years of Luka's career in front of one game at WC and I hope you mean the one in 06 because that one in 98 is overrated as fuck.

Of course I count trophies, why wouldn't we? I meant stats as in goals/asists in neither was anything special. Modrić kills ZZ in trophies and regular play.

ZZ wouldn't be the best player at Madrid if he played with CR7 either. It's like saying KDB is better than Iniesta because he was the main guy and Andres wasn't.

 

[malvolio]

Yeah I'll take 15+ years of Luka's career in front of one game at WC and I hope you mean the one in 06 because that one in 98 is overrated as fuck.

Of course I count trophies, why wouldn't we? I meant stats as in goals/asists in neither was anything special. Modrić kills ZZ in trophies and regular play.

ZZ wouldn't be the best player at Madrid if he played with CR7 either. It's like saying KDB is better than Iniesta because he was the main guy and Andres wasn't.

You seem to not understand how football talent is quantified and for that reason I won't reply anymore.

 

[TheStig]

Good, saw you rate MATS, really no need to debate then.

 

[malvolio]

Good, saw you rate MATS, really no need to debate then.

I rate him for what he is, not to went my frustration.

 

[serghei]

No, compare their careers (ability, especially longevity and trophies...) and I really don't see ZZ in front of Modrić.

ZZ was more elegant and had an aura about him but footballwise Modrić tops him. The only midfielder who can compare with Xavi/Iniesta.

Zidane had a special kind of leadership aura about him. When the team needed him in the toughest moments he delivered the goods. A real big game player. Iniesta was the same, he did not score much in the usual games, but in those moments when the team was in some type of extra stress, he was one of those who rose to the table so to speak.

From midfield players it's rare. Modric not so much. More like Ramos in Madrid had an extra gear in big moments from midfield and defense compartments.

From the players today, I think Vinicius the prick is like that, and Rodri believe it or not. Players who almost always give the extra push and elevate their teams under stressful situations. But as I said, it's more rare to see players that do not play as strikers or wingers to provide clutch moments that define big stakes games.

Others are world class too, but you don't see much elevation from their usual week to week level that is reserved for special occasions. It is the reason I could never see someone like Aguero or Ibrahimovic to be as good as Eto'o was. Eto'o had much more of a sharp edge in big games. Zidane was like that, but for attacking midfielders.