Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi V2

[Rory]

What is even being discussed? That we wouldn't have lost the games we did since 2016 if Messi wasn't here/didn't play as he did? I mean, maybe sure, same argument could be said for every player that was on the losing side. What's the point in focusing on that so much? The only Barca team capable of winning the UCL in those years would have been the 2015/2016 one. We probably could have won that one without Messi, but that's a big probably. Every other year, no chance.

 

[Windhook]

I agree with @DonAK, a single player no matter how great, cannot win games when the rest of the squad are lazy and rely on the guy to create everything.

That was Barca's main problem in late 2010's. Messi had one of the most phenomenal seasons individually during 2018-19, but others were piss poor souls.

 

[DonAK]

Sure if Messi moved his ass more it would help moving the ball better, but would it stop Umtiti and Pique not folding like a lawnchair vs. Dzeko?

Would it help ter Stegen not concede almost every shot at it?

Would it stop the midfielders from treating the ball like a bomb every time they were pressed? Would it stop the slow players from being outmuscled and out paced by opponents that were way more athletic and quicker?

Like I’ve said before, these things are not black nor white.

There are a lot of nuances and multiple factors at play for Barca’s underperformance in the CL in the 2010s, but if you want to blame one player for it all then sure go ahead.

Just don’t call yourself for a smart person then because it is literally one of the most idiotic opinions a person can have.

 

[M3ls]

You can search in this thread for the last time I had this argument with you where I outlined both Messi's flaws and his poor performances in several KO games, but also explained how a lot of other players underperformed as well.

One player cannot win you every game. Even when Messi actually pressed more and didn't stand around in 2018/19, the team collapsed and were eliminated which kind of proves the point.

It's a team sport.

One player can elevate a team tenfold which GOAT-tier players like Messi did, but even those players depend on their team mates doing their job. Maradona wouldn't win in 86 without Valdano also performing really well.

Pele wouldn't win multiple WCs without all the great players alongside him. CR7 was never someone that ran either, but the team around him was built better during Real Madrid's three-peat run, and they had other players who stepped up in big moments as well.

There are a lot of factors in play, a lot of things to consider.

I've had this conversation with you before, but you're so blind in your hatred of Messi that you're unwilling to even see that point of view. So don't accuse me of something that in fact you are yourself.

The fact that you post these videos and stats monthly says it all. You're not looking to discuss anything. You're just here to shit on a player as if he fucked your family.

Lies

Press like this with his best friend?



Don't make people laugh.


Yes, it is a TEAM sport, which is why Leo has to run and labor without the ball with the team. No one is asking him to run 12km per match, but give the team at least 9-10km.

 

[CatalinR10]

Lies

Press like this with his best friend?



Don't make people laugh.


Yes, it is a TEAM sport, which is why Leo has to run and labor without the ball with the team. No one is asking him to run 12km per match, but give the team at least 9-10km.

We don't care lil bro about random moments.

Messi already has the GOAT status in the bag since a long time ago.

Until there is another player who can contribute for Barcelona with more g+a , collective and individual titles , shush with irrelevant baiting 0/8 crap.

 

[RedxMAK]

What is even being discussed? That we wouldn't have lost the games we did since 2016 if Messi wasn't here/didn't play as he did? I mean, maybe sure, same argument could be said for every player that was on the losing side. What's the point in focusing on that so much? The only Barca team capable of winning the UCL in those years would have been the 2015/2016 one. We probably could have won that one without Messi, but that's a big probably. Every other year, no chance.

Agreed, ngl, Barcelona were extremely overrated after 2015-16. I have to admit no Barcelona team was truly capable and worthy of winning the Champions League after that point, even in that specific season, after the international break in March, it felt like something changd in the team and the damages were irrepairable for years to come......

 

[Windhook]

Agreed, ngl, Barcelona were extremely overrated after 2015-16. I have to admit no Barcelona team was truly capable and worthy of winning the Champions League after that point, even in that specific season, after the international break in March, it felt like something changd in the team and the damages were irrepairable for years to come......

At that point the squad was fed up with success and they got complacent. It was the end of an cycle that was in the works for 7-8 years.

2008-15 Barca was a dynasty, some journalists label that lineup as the greatest team ever. Yeah, surely Suarez, Neymar and Rakitic gave the needed boost, but they were the same age as the rest. Except for Neymar, who bailed out very soon.

 

[M3ls]

We don't care lil bro about random moments.

Messi already has the GOAT status in the bag since a long time ago.

Until there is another player who can contribute for Barcelona with more g+a , collective and individual titles , shush with irrelevant baiting 0/8 crap.

Random?

Let's watch the whole game, shall we?

 

[RedxMAK]

At that point the squad was fed up with success and they got complacent. It was the end of an cycle that was in the works for 7-8 years.

2008-15 Barca was a dynasty, some journalists label that lineup as the greatest team ever. Yeah, surely Suarez, Neymar and Rakitic gave the needed boost, but they were the same age as the rest. Except for Neymar, who bailed out very soon.

Ngl, It should be 2008-16 Barcelona. Despite the April slump, out of the 6 competitions Barcelona played in that season, they won 4, also 39 matches unbeaten before the April El Clasico. Stylistically, Barcelona still played an attractive style of play, unfortunately this all diminished by the next season and we never seemed to recover.

 

[M3ls]

Tactical Analysis: Liverpool 4 Barcelona 0 - Coaches' Voice

We analyse how Liverpool destroyed the Barcelona of Lionel Messi, Luis Suarez et al to advance into their second consecutive Champions League final

learning.coachesvoice.com

The hosts also managed to play through single pivot Fabinho on several occasions, as neither Lionel Messi nor Luis Suarez offered any significant help in Barcelona’s defensive phases. When drawing the Barca block over to one side of the pitch, another strategy was to then use long diagonal passes to the far side to find the combinations of Shaqiri/Alexander-Arnold or Mane/Robertson in advanced positions.

 

[soul24rage]

@M3ls daily routine

1. Criticizes Messi
2. Gets destroyed by people in this forum
3. Stays silent for a long time.
4. Rehashes the same nonsense over again.

 

[M3ls]

As long as there are people who still praise this lazy little ball-less dictator in this thread (admittedly, individually he is indeed the best in history) I will remind people that he is responsible for Barcelona's failures (especially in the Champions League) both in terms of play and financially.

They can go off to some forum that is dedicated specifically to Messi - who individually is truly the best player in History - I won't come there.

But this is a forum dedicated to the Barcelona team, not just Leo Messi.

 

[Windhook]

As long as there are people who still praise this lazy little ball-less dictator in this thread (admittedly, individually he is indeed the best in history) I will remind people that he is responsible for Barcelona's failures (especially in the Champions League) both in terms of play and financially.

They can go off to some forum that is dedicated specifically to Messi - who individually is truly the best player in History - I won't come there.

But this is a forum dedicated to the Barcelona team, not just Leo Messi.

Sit down and be humble. You weren't bitching about Messi when he scored in CL 2009 final, nor the 2011 at Wembley.

 

[M3ls]

Sit down and be humble. You weren't bitching about Messi when he scored in CL 2009 final, nor the 2011 at Wembley.

Then he didn't run 6.8km per match.

 

[soul24rage]

As long as there are people who still praise this lazy little ball-less dictator in this thread (admittedly, individually he is indeed the best in history) I will remind people that he is responsible for Barcelona's failures (especially in the Champions League) both in terms of play and financially.

They can go off to some forum that is dedicated specifically to Messi - who individually is truly the best player in History - I won't come there.

But this is a forum dedicated to the Barcelona team, not just Leo Messi.

why don't you respond to this post when you said Bartomeu is just as responsible as Messi

He’s one of the most successful business CEOs in Catalonia? Networth of hundreds of millions, owner of multiple companies, I think he knows a bit more about business than single dad Don who’s upset his old posts got dug up.

2014 treble win
2015 double win
2016 Copa win and entertaining league race n 6-1
2017 double win
2018 league win tight treble race
2019 Bad plus covid
2020 Covid plus ok Copa win and title race

At least UCL quarter finals reached in every year except 2020.

Must be really bad having a president like this.

Premier League 24/25

surprised you did Because fans like you are why we are in this mess lol Spend ages clowning on him shitting on the club for being linked to him And now that he’s performing you’re doing cartwheels to sign him for 120m So which one is it? Do we take risks on young players to see how they...

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