Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi
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KingLeo10
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I think majority of fans have the correct assessment of EV - he's an average manager who is fit for the likes of Valencia, Athletic, Sevilla and such.
Almost everyone will agree he's better than Setien, who's more a Betis level manager. And the debate on who's better between him and Koeman is 50/50 (I personally think Koeman is trending to be worse than EV).
The problem is those from the EV camp paint him as a world class or near world class manager. Which he absolutely is not. World class managers don't allow back to back CL meltdowns in practically the same way. The reason I have Lucho rated higher is because he won the most dominant treble in European history (with one of the best teams ever but still). And this past summer, he did better than expected with a largely above average Spanish side.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Valverde did a decent job first season when Neymar left and our new 140m replacement kept getting injured. Not a top manager and not someone that would get offers to manage a club like Barcelona ever again.
Too many mistakes at key moments ensured that. Way too passive and reactive. Not a top manager.
Too many mistakes at key moments ensured that. Way too passive and reactive. Not a top manager.
soul24rage
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The thing is that EV 'haters' (besides BarcaOG) did compliment EV on a couple of things
-how EV helped stabilize results-wise in the 17/18 season after Neymar's departure
-how EV introduced Fati even though there were other alternatives
-almost giving us the invincible season.
The thing of EV 'lovers' is that it's incredibly rare to hear compliments to guys like Lucho, who did played a part in creating one of the best memories in Barca's history.
-how EV helped stabilize results-wise in the 17/18 season after Neymar's departure
-how EV introduced Fati even though there were other alternatives
-almost giving us the invincible season.
The thing of EV 'lovers' is that it's incredibly rare to hear compliments to guys like Lucho, who did played a part in creating one of the best memories in Barca's history.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
FWIW....I don't think Lucho is a top manager either, but where he lacks tactically his personality makes up for it somewhat. Which is why Spain have been successful under him.
Being second in their group right now is a non-issue. Sweden are no slouches and Spain have been hampered with injuries to key players and diminishing level of talent. His insistence on playing Busquets is an issue though.
@Rassvet already celebrating Spain crashing under Lucho prematurely like he was celebrating CR7 being irrelevant at Juventus until he stole Messi's shine by going to the team and league that will hype up everything he does.
Being second in their group right now is a non-issue. Sweden are no slouches and Spain have been hampered with injuries to key players and diminishing level of talent. His insistence on playing Busquets is an issue though.
@Rassvet already celebrating Spain crashing under Lucho prematurely like he was celebrating CR7 being irrelevant at Juventus until he stole Messi's shine by going to the team and league that will hype up everything he does.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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EV is underrated here in that forum but then there are people like you for example ( and a lot other guys) who overrrate him. The defense tactic against roma was the most stupid thing ever, we are barcelona, not bilbao and it wasnt like we played against a team like bayern/Liverpool, it was 'only' roma and against those teams you need to attack. He is far better than setien though.
Messigician
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Valverde is a world class manager though
Has the best champion league win rate in history
Has the best champion league win rate in history
soul24rage
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World class = Pep, Klopp, Tuchel
EV is not in that level (notice how I didn't put Lucho in the WC lvl either)
Even if Lucho has no success, Valverde is still awful.
Rassvet
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Nah, the problem is that those against EV came up with all these ridiculous and exaggerated claims. You all claimed that we had the best squad in the world but EV was holding them back and the only problem. You all also argued that players like Arthur, Semedo, Dembele, and Malcom were world class talents that would be starring if not for EV. Failed signings like Coutinho and Griezmann were also supposedly struggling because of EV’s poor tactics and the CL humiliations were also all his fault. Then Valverde was sacked and none of these optimistic predictions about what would happen without EV came true yet the agenda against him continues on here.
It’s a bit like the Rakitic case. I rate Rakitic as a fairly decent player but don’t like him too much or think he’s world class. In normal circumstances, I wouldn’t defend or praise him too much. However, when the forum is filled with people attacking him and grossly exaggerating how bad he is, then I feel compelled to step in and set the record straight.
khaled_a_d
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Many people here considered me EV lover, but I have been a big fan of Lucho.
For me it wasn't one or either, as Lucho did great job with the team in his disposal, with bad form hitting in wrong time in 2016 made him look a bit underachiever (especially when RM had Zidane's success)
EV OTOH had to battle against the incompetence of the board, not against Lucho work.
He was supposed to build a team around prime MATS,Umtiti,Neymar & Verratti (his promised signing) and basically that dream was destroyed in a month or so and their plan B was shit.
khaled_a_d
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Pep brought Chyrgynsky and Ibra himself.
Coaches are bad sporting directors, and if you give them the keys to hand-pick players then you have yourself to blame.
AFAIK, Lucho only done that in 2015 when he picked Arda and Vidal, during a time when we didn't have a true SD
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