Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi

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Mitchell1978

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Birdy said:
And the irony -> including a mickey mouse cup, like Copa America, in the important trophies, as if it is the World Cup.

And the irony -> on the 'trophies criterion' Jorginho wins above everyone else hands down, because he won the 2 most important trophies of 2021: UCL and Euros, these trophies being trillion times more important than Copa America.
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Lol, You talk about objective criteria yet you vomit out the most subjective opinion of all, your just as bad as OGBarca, someone so delusional your opinions should be completely ignored...
 
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Bundesliga is probably a higher level than La Liga in the past 1-2 years. The intensity is much higher there.
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Its more entertaining but no Bundesliga team can defend properly, basically most teams plays in the 'German' way where they try to outrun/outwork/outscore the other team.
 
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Mitchell1978 said:
Its more entertaining but no Bundesliga team can defend properly, basically most teams plays in the 'German' way where they try to outrun/outwork/outscore the other team.
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La Liga defending is hardly any better. Bundesliga teams might leave more space but they are better at pressing and generally more physical than La Liga teams.
 
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Morten

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Bundesliga being easier is in large parts made up with having 4 games less, which is a considerable amount if you think about it.
 
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Mitchell1978

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Rassvet said:
La Liga defending is hardly any better. Bundesliga teams might leave more space but they are better at pressing and generally more physical than La Liga teams.
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Defending in LL is more negative, cynical in a way but imo its also better in the main purpose of defending which is to deny the opposing team quality goalscoring opportunities.

Bayern rarely faces teams who defend cynically, like i said most teams try to outwork, outrun, outscore eachother, its entertaining, but unless you have sufficient quality its asking for trouble.
 
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Rassvet

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Mitchell1978 said:
Defending in LL is more negative, cynical in a way but imo its also better in the main purpose of defending which is to deny the opposing team quality goalscoring opportunities.

Bayern rarely faces teams who defend cynically, like i said most teams try to outwork, outrun, outscore eachother, its entertaining, but unless you have sufficient quality its asking for trouble.
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Atletico defend cynically against top teams and Bayern smashed them 4-0 while Barca couldn't score against them once in the last three matches
 
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Rassvet

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Just look at the CL stats this season. Not counting the H2H match, Bayern have scored 16 goals while Barca has 2 against the exact same opposition. Bayern are just infinitely better at scoring than us, it has nothing to do with La Liga defenses being better.
 
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Suddenly Bundesliga is a better league than La Liga. The clown brigade is coming up with some sci-fi stuff at this point. :lol:

Messi being best player in La Liga, top scorer, winning the Copa del Rey, winning Copa America as best player, is considered a worse player than a guy who pummeled a weak league with a juggernaut of a team behind him feeding him left and right.
 
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Mitchell1978

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Rassvet said:
Just look at the CL stats this season. Not counting the H2H match, Bayern have scored 16 goals while Barca has 2 against the exact same opposition. Bayern are just infinitely better at scoring than us, it has nothing to do with La Liga defenses being better.
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Bayern is probably the best or the highest scoring team in the world yet they would score less in La Liga and Barca would score more in the Bundesliga.
 
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Rassvet

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malvolio said:
Suddenly Bundesliga is a better league than La Liga. The clown brigade is coming up with some sci-fi stuff at this point. :lol:

Messi being best player in La Liga, top scorer, winning the Copa del Rey, winning Copa America as best player, is considered a worse player than a guy who pummeled a weak league with a juggernaut of a team behind him feeding him left and right.
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I'm pretty sure you were making similar arguments last year to downplay what Mbappe was doing at PSG by claiming it was so much easier there yet now Messi is in the same spot and struggling so far. You might be the biggest clown in this thread. At least OG is probably trolling with some of his takes but you seem dead serious.
 
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Valdario said:
I'm talking strictly about 2021. There have been players that are 20x better than Lewandowski which never got to the podium. Ballon D'or's criteria is a bit flawed, considering they have "player's career" as one of the factors in the voting. That eventually means players such as Messi and Ronaldo have a huge upper hand in such awards logically because other players cannot compete on that matter.
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The 'player's career' factor does not mean give another Ballon D'Or to multiple winners of Ballon D'Or like Messi or CR. LOL :lol:
How could one think like that?

It simple means recognize a career that has been great which hasn't won a Ballond D'Or during his prime/best
So you give him the award despite not having the best of seasons because of his career.
 
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Morten

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People used the same arguments when RM and Barca were smashing teams early-mid last decade, that the league just sucked.

Its not as much that LL has improved since then, its the fact that top teams in Spain has turned mediocre.

Bayern smashing teams is mostly due to them being an absolute machine in attack, probably the best attacking force in the world for the past couple of years, i wouldn't blame it too much on Bundesliga being "bad".
 
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