Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi

[Richard.H]

We are talking about the ballon dor winner, a trophy which only the best player in the world wins so of course the standards are high. As long as CR7 and Messi steer for the ballon dor, the standards won't get lower.

It is clear as day that he won that trophy due to finally winning Copa America/International trophy. I am sure that was a HUGE weight off his back, and the balon d'or was just the cherry on the top.

 

[KingLeo10]

i do like CR. big whoops. CR> messi for me all day. but i am perfectly willing to admit that

1) he is flawed, deeply in some respects.
2) he is finished as an elite, top 3 or 5 player

thats the key difference. you cant bring yourself to say anything whatsoever negative about messi even in the face of overwhelming evidence

Check my posting history about him when the 550M contract was leaked. Stop being a liar and/or uninformed.

 

[BarcaOG]

To be fair, let's change our perspective and look at Messi from a completely outsider point of view. He is 34 (about to turn 35), has won almost everything possible multiple times, proved almost everything that needed to be proven, what else is there left for him? He has 3 kids, a beautiful wife, you think he has the same motivation he did in say 2015 or 2019? 90 % of his social media posts are something family related now. He is enjoying his Paris life and gets to play with half of his international team at that.

He has every right to take it easy in Ligue 1, and heck who knows he may have underestimated it. It's a tough physical league and maybe he thinks it's best not to play as hard there to avoid injuries.

and while i dont disagree, we should also consider that he is the reigning ballon dor winner--ie the supposedly best player--and so we should judge him according to that standard, too.

is he living up to the expectations of that award, which he is not even 2 months out from winning?

if we agreed, as you suggest, that he is older, less quick, less motivated, and less effective, then we would (and should) cut him slack. of course. but if he still has claim to being the best, as the bdor suggests, and as many of his fans continue to argue, then the standard of judgement should be correspondingly more strict

dont you think?

 

[BarcaOG]

Check my posting history about him when the 550M contract was leaked. Stop being a liar and/or uninformed.

ill take your word for it because unlike you i really dont care abour your post history on an internet forum, lol

that said, its still not clear to me that questioning that ridiculous contract concedes anything football related (ie performance)

 

[Richard.H]

and while i dont disagree, we should also consider that he is the reigning ballon dor winner--ie the supposedly best player--and so we should judge him according to that standard, too.

if he living up to the expectations of that award, which he is not even 2 months out from winning?

if we agreed, as you suggest, that he is older, less quick, less motivated, and less effective, then we would (and should) cut him slack. of course. but if he still has claim to being the best, as the bdor suggests, and many of his fans continue to argue, then the standard of judgement should be correspondingly more strict

dont you think?

It was a very tough call for BD'or since Lewa plays in a league that basically donates their players to Bayern Munich. Like I said the Copa America was the turning point. No Copa and Messi would barely make Top 5.

There is no way he is winning BD'or this year if he continues playing like this, that I agree. All I'm saying is that he probably doesn't care as much as before.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Check my posting history about him when the 550M contract was leaked. Stop being a liar and/or uninformed.

have to say though you insulted OG and rassvet when they said Messi played bad with the argument 'Nobody cares about ligue 1' but when he played well you have written 'Look how the trolls were wrong messi played well' so as you see you are playing with double standards - if nobody is allowed to criticise if he plays bad then nobody should be allowed to say he played well, shouldn't they?

 

[BarcaOG]

It was a very tough call for BD'or since Lewa plays in a league that basically donates their players to Bayern Munich. Like I said the Copa America was the turning point. No Copa and Messi would barely make Top 5.

There is no way he is winning BD'or this year if he continues playing like this, that I agree. All I'm saying is that he probably doesn't care as much as before.

i see. yeah, i agree then

 

[KingLeo10]

ill take your word for it because unlike you i really dont care abour your post history on an internet forum, lol

that said, its still not clear to me that questioning that ridiculous contract concedes anything football related (ie performance)

I always prioritize Barcelona above Messi, and Messi over every other team (when he's not directly facing Barcelona obviously). Same logic as what goes for Pep, but I like Pep a little bit less than Messi due to him being a sycophant who won't come to help us out.

Matter of fact, I barely ever watch PSG outside of CL games, where apparently you tune in to watch "loser bucket". I only care about what he does in CL/WC at this stage. Been saying it since before his move. You won't find any posts from me wishing Messi scored X goals in Y games in farmer's league. I understand his motivation/capabilities at 34/35.

 

[Zidane82]

Maybe they will loan Messi back to us .. to supply Aubameyang with through balls

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Honestly, i think Messi and Ronaldo are still able to make the difference in big games, otherwise they wouldn't scored so many goals so far in cl this season. We shouldn't lower the standards when at the same moment both aiming to win the cl.

 

[BarcaOG]

I always prioritize Barcelona above Messi, and Messi over every other team (when he's not directly facing Barcelona obviously). Same logic as what goes for Pep, but I like Pep a little bit less than Messi due to him being a sycophant.

Matter of fact, I barely ever watch PSG outside of CL games, where apparently you tune in to watch "loser bucket". I only care about what he does in CL/WC at this stage. Been saying it since before his move.

i like Pep too and keep a close eye on city.

well, if its true youre not really following PSG then i suppose it makes sense that you arent sensitive to the recent messi criticism (which is coming not only from me). i think frankly youd be horrified if you watched messi lately

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

I always prioritize Barcelona above Messi, and Messi over every other team (when he's not directly facing Barcelona obviously). Same logic as what goes for Pep, but I like Pep a little bit less than Messi due to him being a sycophant who won't come to help us out.

Matter of fact, I barely ever watch PSG outside of CL games, where apparently you tune in to watch "loser bucket". I only care about what he does in CL/WC at this stage. Been saying it since before his move. You won't find any posts from me wishing Messi scored X goals in Y games in farmer's league. I understand his motivation/capabilities at 34/35.

I think we found the problem, you don't watch the matches thats why you think everyone who criticised him are trolls.

 

[KingLeo10]

I think we found the problem, you don't watch the matches thats why you think everyone who criticised him are trolls.

No my problem is people trolling him exclusively on Ligue 1 and ignoring his CL/WCQ goals/performances, which matter more, I would think. Messi has 10 LL and like 7 golden boots lol. You really think a Ligue 1 scoring title would make any difference to his legacy, + or - ? I do think he should try more because dropping a scoring disaster class for too long can turn the media against you (and I say try because he's scoring in CL so there's no logical way he finds Ligue 1 harder to score in than CL if he's 100% effort at both).

And let's be clear. Criticism is different than trolling. OG himself would admit he trolls Messi more than criticizes him. The rhetoric are vastly different.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

No my problem is people trolling him exclusively on Ligue 1 and ignoring his CL/WCQ goals/performances, which matter more, I would think. Messi has 10 LL and like 7 golden boots lol. You really think a Ligue 1 scoring title would make any difference to his legacy, + or - ? I do think he should try more (and I say try because he's scoring in CL so there's no logical way he finds Ligue 1 harder to score in than CL if he's 100% effort at both).

I agree that at the end of the day only Cl matters but if he fails in cl then it wouldn't look that bad if he would have at least 25 goals in ligue 1. Imagine if Messi looses to Real and ending the season with 6 goals, this would be a dark chapter of his phenomenal career. Anyways, lets see what he will do against Real before judging his season

 

[BarcaOG]

No my problem is people trolling him exclusively on Ligue 1 and ignoring his CL/WCQ goals/performances, which matter more, I would think. Messi has 10 LL and like 7 golden boots lol. You really think a Ligue 1 scoring title would make any difference to his legacy, + or - ? I do think he should try more because dropping a scoring disaster class for too long can turn the media against you (and I say try because he's scoring in CL so there's no logical way he finds Ligue 1 harder to score in than CL if he's 100% effort at both).

And let's be clear. Criticism is different than trolling. OG himself would admit he trolls Messi more than criticizes him. The rhetoric are vastly different.

the rhetoric notwithstanding i think my comments contain a rational kernel of truth