George_Costanza
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Last week. It's all over the news.
Neymar: "I do not like to talk about personal things, but I have to say yes, we are separated, it was a decision that we have taken both sides,"
Lucas Lima
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Last week. It's all over the news.
Neymar: "I do not like to talk about personal things, but I have to say yes, we are separated, it was a decision that we have taken both sides,"
Raketa10
Senior Member
If this is true than this signing is just embarrassing! Againg some kind of money loundering. F... you Barto!!!! If Arda and Rafinga are going away than we can give chance to Alena and not some f... 26 years old player from Brazil. This board will destroy Barca in such a way we won't recover for a decade!
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springfield
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If they have to sell Neymar, then you know they are in big problems. I hope they don't follow your advise. This season a great CM and RB is enough. Next year there is money again.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Yes.
In 3 years of MSN, Real won 2 CLs.
And in 4 years since Neymar came here, Real won 3 CLs and turned into the best team in the world.
It would be really a shame to ruin such a magic and balance which we possess in Neymar and MSN.
To some extent, Neymar and MSN (and a lack of midfield) turned Real into a most dominating team in the world and ruined Messi's final years at Barca.
Yes, there are lots of other factors, but still...
What is worse, Barto will go even "level up" with this MSN bullshit.
We will buy Dembele and play with DMSN or MSN-Mbele now.
One midfielder less and one more individualistic dribbler more.
Oh, such a joyful days are infront of us
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George_Costanza
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A team with Verratti, Dembele, Semedo, and Davinson can win anything with or without Neymar. That's a complete team, why would we have a big problem?!
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Dont need to give up Neymar who is better than any of them to get those players.
BarçaBarça
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Yes, he very obviously is a 15 M-player who is available for free. That should be good news for Stoke. Not FC Barcelona, come on.
Alright, this is a good point: We need to save money in general and make good deals. But Dahoud, a promising 21 years old german midfielder went to Dortmund for 12 M€, because he had 1 year left of his contract. If we can't pay 12 M € for a midfield-backup we are truly fucked. I would applaud us signing him - he is a realistic, very cheap, worth a try young player and possible starter with all the right profile for Barca. I don't want to be pessimistic, but these signings leave me with no choice.
See - this is ridiculous.
First you argue: "Remember he is on free transfer, therefore it doesn't matter that he isn't young/promising/universally praised and only on a 'decent level'"
Then you argue: "4M salary is not expensive when he came on a free transfer - you should have that in mind"
Conclusion: Expensive wages is totally fine for a (not young) squad-player with only 'decent level'. You can't argue both that his cheap price excuses his crappy level, and then that his free transfer excuses his expensive wages.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
You pretty much made up all of that last paragraph from thin air. Quoting things that were never said.
About worst strawman arguments have seen on here.
BarçaBarça
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Because the real world is (sadly for some) not Football Manager. That is why. Sell Neymar to get a bunch of top-class players is something you do in FM, not in reality.
Seriously, then: Walk me through how we sell Neymar and get Verratti and Dembele the same summer for reasonable prices. Won't happen. Higuain went for 93 M after Juve sold Pogba. You'll have to pay ridiculously amounts on top of everything, when you break the worldrecord-fee in income. Torres away, Andy Carrol in is another example. Get real.
BarçaBarça
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I tried to include the quotes to prove it: First you say that he is cheap (correct), and that he would be signed to avoid 'weakening midfield backup' (that may be, but midfield-backup has been below barca-level this year, and if he is replacing that level, then I assumed you meant that his level was 'decent'). Then you argue that his wages isn't that big, even though they are. Santos offered him 1.3 M/year, btw, why not offer the same? We are a bigger club, he would prefer to play here.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
You made the quotes up from thin air so they prove nothing. Try quoting things that were actually said.
BarçaBarça
New member
I'll try again then. I read these two qutoes:
As this:
First quote similar to this: "Remember he is on free transfer, therefore it doesn't matter that he isn't young/promising/universally praised and only on a 'decent level'"
Second quote similar to this: "4M salary is not expensive when he came on a free transfer - you should have that in mind"
If that is a giant misreading then ok. I really just got the impression that you thought he had a decent level, and the free transfer justified a try, and that you thought 4M wasn't expensive. I think both that he plays at an underwhelming level (which can be ok if you are young and can improve) and that 4M in wages is expensive when he was offered a rise to 1.3M in his original club. If you are truly neutral/indifferent towards him and this transfer, then fine with me, I interpreted your quotes as if you were generally okay with the reasoning behind signing him.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
First quote is nothing like that and I have said multiple times dont have any real opinion on his quality as not seen enough of him and also said him signing does not stop any other young midfielder getting chances.
Second quote has no reference at all to his fee and says IF he comes and is a decent squad player it is not huge wages as being made out. If he flops the wages are too big.
Neither quote anything like you made out.
What he was offered at Santos doesnt really mean anything it could be just they have offered him far too little and cant afford more. It is no more relevant than him being offered huge wages in China.
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