Luis Enrique quits after this season!

[serghei]

1 CL semifinal in 3 years is a different story though.

About that, it just shows the randomness and the luck involved in the CL.

Barca losing to Atletico in the QF is exactly like Bayern losing to them in the SF. Same open draw, same rules, same intensity, same everything. Bayern could have drawn Atletico and lost in the QF, and we could have drawn Benfica, won the tie, and lost to Atletico in the semis.

So, no difference between us going out in the QF to Atletico and Bayern going out in the semi. Just the randomness of the draw, that decided the dates in which Barca and Bayern got to play Atletico.

 

[FlaFCB]

Domestic double > CL. In terms of people's perception though, the CL trumps everything. But a CL win without a league win will always be somewhat diminished, whereas domestic trophies don't need the CL for validation.

I'm actually ok with one CL in 3 years, even with MSN. 1 CL semifinal in 3 years is a different story though.

It's not only people's perception. Cdr is only important for a treble, or for the smaller teams that never get to win to league. Domestic double isn't better. A CL without a league is still the CL, and vice versa. But the CL is still more important. And players know it too.

 

[snowy]

...And he and robert spent over 100m in the summer too...

That's the strange part. A lot of the blame in the past year was directed at their tactics but beyond that, they kinda shot themselves in the foot with the signings - except for Umtiti.

Their campaign would've been much easier if they had picked players with ultra speed & stamina in addition to skills. MSN could've stayed upfront much more and focus on scoring.

Not being dismissive of Arda, Digne, Gomes, Paco et co but where they have the skills, they unfortunately lack in natural athleticism so they often get beaten by faster or more physical opponents.

Soccer, being more skill dominant, runs a different scouting process than say the NFL. But still, half our squad looks less athletic than the cast of Cocoon. Camp Nou might as well open a geriatric wing

Bienvenido Sampa! here's your starting bench. Now go win us a treble!

 

[Horatio]

This is a great day for Barcaforum.

 

[serghei]

CL is flawed? So are the leagues. Especially in spain, with the amount of corruption there is. CL will never dissapear. using bs scenarios now too?

"2 CL's in a row means jack shit", "CL is an add-on" - the gift that keeps on giving

It hasn't been done since the format change, but it'd mean nothing. Lmao, serghei. You keep surprising me. I really thought those bits on xavi were surreal, but you keep finding new ways. kudos, I think.

CL didn't even exist until 1992. Nice try. 'CL would never disappear'. Think again.

CL is exactly an add-on. You get to play in it based on what you do in the league. So the league precedes it. CL depends on the league, like an add-on depends on a platform. League does not depend on the Champions League.

 

[JamDav1982]

About that, it just shows the randomness and the luck involved in the CL.

Barca losing to Atletico in the QF is exactly like Bayern losing to them in the SF. Same open draw, same rules, same intensity, same everything. Bayern could have drawn Atletico and lost in the QF, and we could have drawn Benfica, won the tie, and lost to Atletico in the semis.

So, no difference between us going out in the QF to Atletico and Bayern going out in the semi. Just the randomness of the draw, that decided the dates in which Barca and Bayern got to play Atletico.

There is more randomness involved in the World Cup but it is still seen as most important trophy can win.

 

[JamDav1982]

CL didn't even exist until 1992. Nice try. 'CL would never disappear'. Think again.

CL is exactly an add-on. You get to play in it based on what you do in the league. So the league precedes it. CL depends on the league, like an add-on depends on a platform. League does not depend on the Champions League.

Not just an add on it is the next step to showing your dominance as one of if not best teams on continent after doing the same in your league.

It is a progression to a higher level of competition.

 

[serghei]

There is more randomness involved in the World Cup but it is still seen as most important trophy can win.

Shouldn't have provided that example. It has nothing to do with the discussion, because of the nature of national team football.

 

[FlaFCB]

CL didn't even exist until 1992. Nice try. 'CL would never disappear'. Think again.

CL is exactly an add-on. You get to play in it based on what you do in the league. So the league precedes it. CL depends on the league, like an add-on depends on a platform. League does not depend on the Champions League.

CL existed, with a different name. You didn't know that? I'm not surprised That's why I mentioned format change. And no, it wouldn't disappear. It could change format and name, and that's all. CL exists since the 50'... keep at it. As I said, kudos. You never fail to amuse with the nonsense you post. Xavi, CL, Gomes... I wonder what's next.

Add-on, lolololol. The continental tournament is an add-on

 

[JamDav1982]

Shouldn't have provided that example. It has nothing to do with the discussion, because of the nature of national team football.

Should have provided that example as it shows how nothing is taken away from the winners due to the more random nature of it.

You might prefer the world rankings to the world cup winners as they are more consistent though.

 

[serghei]

Not just an add on it is the next step to showing your dominance as one of if not best teams on continent after doing the same in your league.

It is a progression to a higher level of competition.

It is not. It would be if the Champions League would have been in a league format as well. In this way, the winner would have less to do with draws, away goals rule, refereeing errors which are much more decisive than in league formats, and so on.

Based on the draws, you could face better teams in La Liga than in the Champions League. Real Madrid played weaker teams in Champions League last season, than in La Liga.

 

[Horatio]

CL existed, with a different name.

Then why do people claim it has not been won 2 consecutive times?

#philosoraptor

 

[FlaFCB]

Then why do people claim it has not been won 2 consecutive times?

#philosoraptor

After the format and name change, it hasn't. I even mentioned that in the post...

 

[JamDav1982]

It is not. It would be if the Champions League would have been in a league format as well. In this way, the winner would have less to do with draws, away goals rule, refereeing errors which are much more decisive than in league formats, and so on.

Based on the draws, you could face better teams in La Liga than in the Champions League. Real Madrid played weaker teams in Champions League last season, than in La Liga.

It is a progression, does have a more random nature and contains best teams on continent.

For all that it is seen as the pinnacle by most clubs, fans and players, against a competition that is based more on consistency and only teams from one country.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

It's not only people's perception. Cdr is only important for a treble, or for the smaller teams that never get to win to league. Domestic double isn't better. A CL without a league is still the CL, and vice versa. But the CL is still more important. And players know it too.

CdR is important because teams are still heavily competing for it. Europa level teams go all out in it, yet it's one of the big three winning it. Barca winning both domestic trophies for two, (three?) years in a row means barça has beat 4 (6?) times in a row the competition of RM, Atletico, Sevilla, etc, in the era of spanish archdominance as verified by the UEFA rankings. That's a ludicrous achievement, but not one that casual people that make up the larger audience of football will recognize.