Luis Enrique

[Behrox]

All he needs is to find STANDARD ELEVEN. He is not doing that. When he regulary puts players on the stands (Raki, Bus, Masch etc.) to "rest them" after a month of season in I want to punch him in the mouth.

We could be soooo much better. Put Bravo on goal for CL/Liga. Put Mathieu and Bartra(btw he should put some pounds on him) as CB pairing until Vermaleen gets back. Pique should get court order restriction not to get in close proximity to CN.

Put Abla as starting LB and Alves/Montoya as RB. Push Masch on fucking DM where he is currently the best in the world. Infront of him put Rakitic-Iniesta/Rafinha pairing. Semper should be included in 1st team more often and should be aimed to replace Xavi as soon as possible.

Attack should consist of Neymar - Messi - Suarez and they should play EVERY SIGNLE MATCH. That would do it for now. You cant expect defense to be solid against tough sides when you change CB pairing in EVERY SIGNLE MATCH. Thats the thing that makes me seriously think all that sun from thriatlons is melting his brain.

Anyway...I seriously doubt Lucho will do what everyone sees. He will just start Munir Messi and Pedro next game so he can "rest" inform Neymar and Luis Suarez. Hopefully this gets through his thick scull although I doubt it.

Agreed a good coach uses pre-season and first 5 games to pick out his best XI and plays them consistently so that they can gel but I have said it before I am tired of his constant rotations especially in defense and he played the worst possible combination (bar starting Pedro) in the Classico although he rectified his mistake by subbing on Lord Pedro for Suarez making it THE WORST COMBO he could have put out. He needs to get his shit together and put together a team. At least Tata had the excuse of not having bought any players and having no pre-season but what is Lucho's excuse?

 

[FC B]

Idiot for me. (Lucho)

For me too.

 

[FC B]

I don't know, 15th place Klopp? I'd take Marcelo Bielsa before Klopp, keep him 1 season, until the board changes, and let him go after one year if he goes crazy or smth.

If I'm not mistaken he's been training BVB since 2008 so it's a long time span in which imo he did wonders with what material and budget had and we all know they are not among the richest in Deutschland let alone among any financial elite in Europe and still they've got style, results ( 1 CL final between others ) and they have produced great players.
Imo Klopp isn't the culpirt for their place in the Bundesliga.

 

[KingMessi]

If I'm not mistaken he's been training BVB since 2008 so it's a long time span in which imo he did wonders with what material and budget had and we all know they are not among the richest in Deutschland let alone among any financial elite in Europe and still they've got style, results ( 1 CL final between others ) and they have produced great players.
Imo Klopp isn't the culpirt for their place in the Bundesliga.

Agreed. It hasn't helped that his squad is plagued with injuries and that Weidenfeller isn't really in any sort of form.

Anyway, in terms of potential coaches if Lucho fails (again it's early days; let the guy have a chance to fix his mistakes), then I think we should go for El Loco Bielsa. Or perhaps Lopetegui since he's been doing great with Porto right now.

Hell, if all else fails, let's bring in Jose Mourinho. I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to stick it to RM after his last season with them.

 

[KingMessi]

Also it's time for Lucho to drop Iniesta and start:

------------Suarez------------
Neymar----Messi-----Rakitic
-----Masche---Busquets-----
Alba--Mathieu--Bartra--Alves

 

[pacp_96]

Also it's time for Lucho to drop Iniesta and start:

------------Suarez------------
Neymar----Messi-----Rakitic
-----Masche---Busquets-----
Alba--Mathieu--Bartra--Alves

Iniesta's injured so it might be a good time to try it.

 

[BBZ8800]

Also it's time for Lucho to drop Iniesta and start:

------------Suarez------------
Neymar----Messi-----Rakitic
-----Masche---Busquets-----
Alba--Mathieu--Bartra--Alves

We don't need two Dmcs against weaker teams.
New formations are needed in matches against 5-6 best teams in the world.

Our current 433 formation, and even Pique, Busquets and Iniesta in the team and in the horrible form, are still good enough to win basically 9 out of 10 matches against midtable La Liga teams.

There is no need to change things which are working.
We usually don't have problems against crappy teams.

But we are clueless in the last few Seasons with 433 against Bayern, Real, Atletico, Chelsea and similar teams.
451 is a good idea for those matches.

 

[Frodo_FCB]

We don't need two Dmcs against weaker teams.
New formations are needed in matches against 5-6 best teams in the world.

Our current 433 formation, and even Pique, Busquets and Iniesta in the team and in the horrible form, are still good enough to win basically 9 out of 10 matches against midtable La Liga teams.

There is no need to change things which are working.
We usually don't have problems against crappy teams.

But we are clueless in the last few Seasons with 433 against Bayern, Real, Atletico, Chelsea and similar teams.
451 is a good idea for those matches.

Yeah thats true, but you cant play the whole season with the same tactics and players and just change everything for 3-4 games when you face top teams. It will not work.

 

[BBZ8800]

Yeah thats true, but you cant play the whole season with the same tactics and players and just change everything for 3-4 games when you face top teams. It will not work.

We played 343 and 442 with other coaches in the last few Seasons on some matches.

It's not a totally new/different formation/style of play.

That is basically a plan A and a plan B (a slightly tweaked original formation)
We currently have only a plan A (for a few years already).

 

[DonAK]

I don't know, 15th place Klopp? I'd take Marcelo Bielsa before Klopp, keep him 1 season, until the board changes, and let him go after one year if he goes crazy or smth.

You don't want Klopp who has done wonders for BVB and have had a bad start to their league campaign and is calling him 15th place Klopp while you'd take Bielsa who almost left Athletic to crash and burn and done so with other teams as well?

Don't get me wrong, Bielsa is a great manager, but when he becomes crazy then all hell breaks loose

Although I understand your point if you think Klopp's style is gonna clash with the ones here.

 

[Luftstalag14]

You don't want Klopp who has done wonders for BVB and have had a bad start to their league campaign and is calling him 15th place Klopp while you'd take Bielsa who almost left Athletic to crash and burn and done so with other teams as well?

Don't get me wrong, Bielsa is a great manager, but when he becomes crazy then all hell breaks loose

Although I understand your point if you think Klopp's style is gonna clash with the ones here.

I love Klopp and what has done at BVB, but I am not sure if he is the right man for us. Some folks have mentioned a slew of factors such as style, his emphasis on physicality which we don't have etc., but I have a different thought: The last five games where BVB lost made me realize that Klopp is quite tactically rigid. BVB is still playing too fast like they have been playing in the last several seasons, without much control in pace, too much haste in the final third, which led to losing the ball too often and opportunities to the opposing team. Buli teams sort of had BVB figured out. In my opinion they should slow down a bit, be more patient. This is actually what Hitzfeld said too. But Klopp insisted that the issue was personnel (injuries and players tat came back are not in their best form etc), not tactics.

I don't know, we will see if Klopp will make any changes in the upcoming games (by the way, next Saturday will be German Clasico against the mighty Bayern away from home).

 

[khaled_a_d]

I love Klopp and what has done at BVB, but I am not sure if he is the right man for us. Some folks have mentioned a slew of factors such as style, his emphasis on physicality which we don't have etc., but I have a different thought: The last five games where BVB lost made me realize that Klopp is quite tactically rigid. BVB is still playing too fast like they have been playing in the last several seasons, without much control in pace, too much haste in the final third, which led to losing the ball too often and opportunities to the opposing team. Buli teams sort of had BVB figured out. In my opinion they should slow down a bit, be more patient. This is actually what Hitzfeld said too. But Klopp insisted that the issue was personnel (injuries and players tat came back are not in their best form etc), not tactics.

I don't know, we will see if Klopp will make any changes in the upcoming games (by the way, next Saturday will be German Clasico against the mighty Bayern away from home).

I think our biggest problem is the whole style thing ,Barca always played beautiful attacking football(when they are in form at least) ,we did it with Pep,we did it with Rijkaard,we did it with LVG and many others .this is Barca style and something we are proud of
But after Pep era I think we are believing in our hype very much and it seems the general behaviour that Pep football is Barca football and it is what is the club about ,this has lead only to bad deteriorated version of Pep's team
Barca was very physical team during 2005/2006,our starting lineup had only 3 players under 180cms for example (Puyol/Deco/Giuly)and the whole team was really strong that we have actually out muscled Chelsea back then .we weren't only the best team in the world back then but also the most entertaining team too
We need to forget about Pep days and let whoever coaching the team to put their own system freely ,I would understand it if we reject parking the bust coaches like Simone or Mourinho because they are against Barca attacking philosophy .but I won't say no to coaches who are against Pep playing philosophy .if Klopp come to Barca one day and want the team to be physical so be it

 

[Ini8]

Perhaps it was a bit naive from him to change our approach so radically, but he'll learn from it. Remember, he did win against RM with Celta last season, so he must have gotten something right back then.

 

[blaugrana1987]

We will be fine. He just needs to find starting 11 and let them gel. If he continues with constant rotation (going so far that he is sending players on stands) then I have no doubt these kind of loses will repeat.

 

[Barcilliant]

I might get flamed for this but guys it's an end of an era just accept it. 90 % of the players in our team have won all prestigious trophies that you could win in the sport. They just don't have the hunger anymore like they did before. It's natural, in any sport actually. RM players will naturally be more hungry than ours since they get absolutely butt***** by us for nearly 4 years straight. That's just utter humiliation in such a higher competition.


You can blame Lucho for this all you want, but if you want a change it will come from a serious change, as in getting rid of most of the old guard. Even bringing Pep back will not fix the pressing/ lack of movement/ etc. I give it 2 years max before this team seriously blows up. However, that's if we don't win any trophies.


It's still very likely for us to win La Liga. We have enough talent in the squad to beat 95 % of la liga teams. RM/Atletico find ways to screw up against those lower la liga teams. Don't expect a CL though. I expect us to get knocked out in QF like last year.











Also, this forum tends to have a witch hunt for certain players. Pique was a good CB once, but not anymore. You guys have seriously extremely high expectations out of these players. Pique has lost his form since 2011. He was exposed many times even when we won the CL that year. However, Pep was the coach and everything was okay in the eyes of most fans here.


Mathieu is a decent player but expecting him to be Abidal mark 2 is really ridiculous and highly disrespectful to Abidal. Abidal was one of the key players of Pep's squad and an absolute beast in both defense and offense.


Rakitic is great for defensive duties but his passing is not in the same league as Iniesta/Xavi and never will be.


Lastly, Xavi getting old has really messed up our midfield. I'm absolutely appalled at how underrated he is by lots of cules and lots of pundits. He was the one who kept the midfield as structured as possible and kept the tiki taka fluid. No, Iniesta can't cover the duties that Xavi had.





In conclusion, Lucho/Tata/Tito, even Pep, can't really change much of these problems. We have to hope La Masia produces some ridiculous talent or we will have to turn into Galacticos Barca and buy world class players for most of our positions.

Yes we can win La Liga but have you seen the table?

Sevilla, AM, RM AND Valencia are ALL going to compete.

If our season goes pear shaped I can see us struggle for a CL spot.