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If that isn't an overreaction, I don't know what is.
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putogusiluz8
The Pale One
Someone suggested Jose Mourinho. Call me a hypocrite, but for some reason that's an exciting idea.
CatalinR10
Senior Member
nah....
He's a great manager but he is a cunt.
The only reason why I would want him here , besides him being a good coach , is that he defends his team , club and football players in the media and everywhere else. If he was here , this whole propaganda against Messi would not happen.
If I would have to chose between Mourinho and Lucho , it's an easy call. Barca should stop hiring these kind of coaches , we need someone with experience. If you want to make Barca become the nr 1 club in the world again , you don't hire someone like Lucho. Just because he played in Barca doesn't mean he has the talent of Pep when it comes to lead a team to glory.
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i_bleed_blaugrana
Senior Member
We really are stuck with him because especially if we have a poor season this year, no good sane coach would want to come here (perhaps why I saw Bielsa's name mentioned). We have a stale style that we seem indignantly tied to, we have players who lack the hunger to dominate and have no way for a year to get players to fit a different system.
So its going to be Lucho going forward for the next two years, we might as well get used to this. See, we are seeing signs of how his Roma tenure was: a good team playing decent attacking football but lacking the poise or ingenuity to win on the big stage. I hope he changes things here and in particular is when we can really critique how this team goes forward now that he has Suarez but I see him as a great motivator and trainer but I am left with a bit to be desired on the tactical side of things. We have went from a false nine 4-3-3 to a 4-3-1-2, practically the same thing. We still make the mistake of playing two attacking wingbacks with only two center backs to cover (even Pep doesn't do that anymore), its all the same thing except slower.
What I don't understand is that its like the players have forgotten the things that made them great. There was a certain focused precision and sheer force of will that is woefully absent in our game nowadays. Particularly moving the ball quickly is one key aspect that is gone from our game and its a key aspect of what allows us to play so offensively. If you don't pass with a purpose, you can't play this attacking or you are bound to get burned. Iniesta's and Busquets' form right now is very worrying because we really don't have the type of player that can fill in and still allow us to play the way we do now. Tactically speaking, Xavi-Busi-Iniesta should have destroyed Madrid's MF and the fact that they were outplayed shouldn't be happening. We either need to enhance our style of play in a manner that allows us to make quicker passing moves or we need to drop Busquets or at least have either Raki or Mascherano hold next to him because we continue to get overran in the midfield when we can't control a game with him by himself.
With Iniesta out injured now, it really is worth considering rethinking how our midfield works. For instance:
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However, there are other alternatives as well. Xavi is in good form at the moment and we should try and play him a decent amount to see if he still has a serious role to play in this team. When he has played, he's looked good but I am unsure of it being because he understands Lucho's tactics well or because he is playing weaker sides but contrary to popular belief, I think he still has some fight left in him.
I would honestly wouldn't mind a 4-2-3-1 like this either:
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By putting Xavi in that CAM role, it allows to focus purely on dictating in the attacking third and making the final pass and not have to focus on tracking back and covering defensively. Its a role that a certain Cesc Fabregas probably would have been well suited to had he been given to opportunity.
Loud and clear: we need some new shapes. Someone said you can't play a certain way against one team and play different the next, nonsense. Pep is constantly tinkering and switching formations at Bayern to keep his team unpredictable and dynamic and we need different looks and approaches to open up opportunities for this team. We have great players still that have attributes that we need to maximize, all it takes is a little creativity.
Its beyond frustrating that I can come up with better preparations for this team but different managers keep doing the same thing with the same tactics at this club, week in and week out.
So its going to be Lucho going forward for the next two years, we might as well get used to this. See, we are seeing signs of how his Roma tenure was: a good team playing decent attacking football but lacking the poise or ingenuity to win on the big stage. I hope he changes things here and in particular is when we can really critique how this team goes forward now that he has Suarez but I see him as a great motivator and trainer but I am left with a bit to be desired on the tactical side of things. We have went from a false nine 4-3-3 to a 4-3-1-2, practically the same thing. We still make the mistake of playing two attacking wingbacks with only two center backs to cover (even Pep doesn't do that anymore), its all the same thing except slower.
What I don't understand is that its like the players have forgotten the things that made them great. There was a certain focused precision and sheer force of will that is woefully absent in our game nowadays. Particularly moving the ball quickly is one key aspect that is gone from our game and its a key aspect of what allows us to play so offensively. If you don't pass with a purpose, you can't play this attacking or you are bound to get burned. Iniesta's and Busquets' form right now is very worrying because we really don't have the type of player that can fill in and still allow us to play the way we do now. Tactically speaking, Xavi-Busi-Iniesta should have destroyed Madrid's MF and the fact that they were outplayed shouldn't be happening. We either need to enhance our style of play in a manner that allows us to make quicker passing moves or we need to drop Busquets or at least have either Raki or Mascherano hold next to him because we continue to get overran in the midfield when we can't control a game with him by himself.
With Iniesta out injured now, it really is worth considering rethinking how our midfield works. For instance:
Find your football tactics app at this11.com
However, there are other alternatives as well. Xavi is in good form at the moment and we should try and play him a decent amount to see if he still has a serious role to play in this team. When he has played, he's looked good but I am unsure of it being because he understands Lucho's tactics well or because he is playing weaker sides but contrary to popular belief, I think he still has some fight left in him.
I would honestly wouldn't mind a 4-2-3-1 like this either:
Make your football formation with this11.com
By putting Xavi in that CAM role, it allows to focus purely on dictating in the attacking third and making the final pass and not have to focus on tracking back and covering defensively. Its a role that a certain Cesc Fabregas probably would have been well suited to had he been given to opportunity.
Loud and clear: we need some new shapes. Someone said you can't play a certain way against one team and play different the next, nonsense. Pep is constantly tinkering and switching formations at Bayern to keep his team unpredictable and dynamic and we need different looks and approaches to open up opportunities for this team. We have great players still that have attributes that we need to maximize, all it takes is a little creativity.
Its beyond frustrating that I can come up with better preparations for this team but different managers keep doing the same thing with the same tactics at this club, week in and week out.
Ursegor
World Champion
Tbh you are just drawing one ridiculous lineup suggestion after another after every loss.
i_bleed_blaugrana
Senior Member
Tbh, you troll a lot of my posts and shit on my ideas without any logical or factual basis and purely based on your opinion and your opinion alone. I don't see you coming up with any solutions and you can't say that what we are doing now works. Not my fault I think outside of the box a bit, but when you think about it, its really not that out of touch. All of those players have played in similar positions in the past, Xavi in particular has played very well as a CAM for Spain and Rakitic, with a ball winner next to him, would be a very solid defending midfielder for the style we play.
And finally, I don't post these after every loss, I frequently focus on tactics on most of my posts because to me its what I enjoy most from football. If you actually read and actually thought about what I'm proposing and watched other teams and how they are playing right now, you'd realize I don't just post angry rants. I do actually put thought into my posts and I don't appreciate it when people shit on ideas without exposing a flaw in logic, reasoning or fact.
Gaudi
Senior Member
Formation is becoming less and less important per se. For example what formation did Bayern play in rome?
Some say 3-52, others 4-2-3-1 some 3-3-3-1...it doesn't matter and Pep knows this. Important thing is to have the field covered. For example if Alaba went up even though he was a CB on paper DM pulled back and formed the line. Those asymmetric formations are becoming realities.
Our main problem is not "number" or formation name is the way we play: TO SLOW with TO MANY TOUCHES.
Currently 90% of our team takes 5 or more touches on the ball AND all recive the ball while standing, not running. Actually only those dangerous attacks are when Messi dribbles past 3 or more guys and they, and only then, Neymar or someone gets the ball on the run, not standing. But movement otherwise from mids or attackers is ver weak.
Iniesta, Xavi, even Busi, Messi, Neymar, Alves (FB for God sake), even our CBs all take 5 or more touches.
You can have whatever formation you want, with that kind of play you'll alaways have a "bus" behind as you leave so much time for opposition to position themself. In saturdayy game even CR came (not that fast) back, behind the ball, and we were still pointlessly passing arround nowhere close to dangerous position.
Some say 3-52, others 4-2-3-1 some 3-3-3-1...it doesn't matter and Pep knows this. Important thing is to have the field covered. For example if Alaba went up even though he was a CB on paper DM pulled back and formed the line. Those asymmetric formations are becoming realities.
Our main problem is not "number" or formation name is the way we play: TO SLOW with TO MANY TOUCHES.
Currently 90% of our team takes 5 or more touches on the ball AND all recive the ball while standing, not running. Actually only those dangerous attacks are when Messi dribbles past 3 or more guys and they, and only then, Neymar or someone gets the ball on the run, not standing. But movement otherwise from mids or attackers is ver weak.
Iniesta, Xavi, even Busi, Messi, Neymar, Alves (FB for God sake), even our CBs all take 5 or more touches.
You can have whatever formation you want, with that kind of play you'll alaways have a "bus" behind as you leave so much time for opposition to position themself. In saturdayy game even CR came (not that fast) back, behind the ball, and we were still pointlessly passing arround nowhere close to dangerous position.
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Kasperroed
New member
Why don't we try Rackitic in a Fabregas-like-role (in Chelsea). A more defensive role next to Busquets when defending and a more offensive role when attacking?
Then we could play Iniesta in the number-10 role.
Bravo
Alves - Mascherano - Mathieu - Alba
Rackitic - Busquets
Suarez - Iniesta - Neymar
Messi
4-4-2 when defending with Neymar and either of Iniesta or Suarez tracking back.
Then we could play Iniesta in the number-10 role.
Bravo
Alves - Mascherano - Mathieu - Alba
Rackitic - Busquets
Suarez - Iniesta - Neymar
Messi
4-4-2 when defending with Neymar and either of Iniesta or Suarez tracking back.
Ursegor
World Champion
The logical and factual basis is that Messi doesn't have the stamina, speed, off the ball movement and workrate anymore to play wide. More importantly - he does not want to play there. This is a player who covers about 8 km per game if he's in the mood. He didn't want it in 09/10 when Ibra was in the team and he still doesn't want it. Nor does it make any sense to isolate the best final passer and goalscorer of the team on the wing. Yet people come up with "Messi needs to play on the wing" whenever Barca loses a game because they have this funny picture in their heads of a Robben-esque, pacy, direct, tempo-dribbling goalscoring winger. He has a free role and navigates to the wing whenever he finds space anyway during games so your lineup isn't the tactical masterstroke you seem to think it is. Messi is a #10, now more than ever, not a winger.
Xavi has played as a #10 for Spain? Actually no, he just played as the furthest forward midfielder in a midfield 3, a #10 is something else. Regardless it was in 2010 when he was topping the throughball and chance creation charts. News flash. This is 2014. But even at his peak it wasn't his best role when he didn't have the entire pitch ahead of him. It just made sense to move him a bit further forward to accomodate Alonso for defensive balance in Cup tournaments just as it made sense to move Iniesta wide although it's clearly not his best role either. Does it make sense to move Messi wide for 34 year old Xavi?
What Gaudi says is true. Formations are almost irrelevant. No formation adjustment will turn the crap from Saturday into a winning performance as long as players take 3 touches, don't move off the ball, can't circulate the ball, don't press, make the wrong decisions etc. etc. etc.
I'm just amused with your posts because you draw up these funny lineups and genuinly seem to believe you have outsmarted the Barca coaches by doing so and done some tactical wizardry.
ebc_99
Active member
I would love Mourinho at Barca, he loves the club no matter what he says and would make the team into winners. He is a cunt but I don't care, he is still young enough to stay a good 10 years or so aswell. I still think Lucho can be a success, but if he isn't then we have got to go for a top coach next time, someone with a track record.
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