Fair enough. Just thought it was strange how the stats were so different to what people were saying
Luis Enrique
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Fair enough. Just thought it was strange how the stats were so different to what people were saying
Alarcón
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They said they had negotiated with Suárez for months, way before Lucho arrived, and Suárez also basically confirmed this, but that's not important. Lucho pushed for Marquinhos and Cuadrado and Zubi's alternatives were Vermaelen and Douglas. They (Lucho?) pushed for Koke but we didn't get him, and we got no one instead. That's what we know and the rest is just hearsay.
I think it's fair to assume we rejected Kroos but no one knows who exactly did that; you're just blaming Lucho to strengthen your argument. Lucho accepted Suárez, Vermaelen and Douglas, so if they had told him they wanted to get Kroos, why should he have vetoed it? Not because he thought Kroos wasn't good enough, or he wouldn't have signed off on Douglas and Vermaelen, and I imagine he watched the WC too. Not because he thought we had enough midfielder, they/he clearly wanted another one or they wouldn't have pushed so hard for Koke. I reckon they didn't have any real alternatives left so he just had to settle for the existing midfielders.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
We all can agree to one thing: The club is ran by incompetent clowns and getting those people out of the way would mean removing 50% of the problems we have right now.
I desperately hope someone manages to get the 15% needed for a no confidence motion and that people then unite against these idiots so that Bartomeu and co falls.
I desperately hope someone manages to get the 15% needed for a no confidence motion and that people then unite against these idiots so that Bartomeu and co falls.
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Flavia
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So you think that if Lucho wanted Kroos, zubi/the board would still not get him? Even though he wasn't that expensive? Really? I'm not doing it to strenght my argument, it's just common sense. Lucho is the coach. He has to have the final word on those matters, or he's just another puppet.
Bartomeu himself said Lucho told him to get Suarez, even with the ban, that he was a fundamental part of Lucho's plan. He had the final word on that, why he wouldn't have on Kroos? Lucho didn't want Kroos because he didn't want a midfield, as we are witnessing it every game. He wanted Koke to be the other babysitter, Rakitic for Alves, Koke for Alba.
He is. The source for Kroos offering himself to barça is his agent, and Cruyff.
Do you think that Kroos can do better than Rakitic in the same Role, i seriously doubt it, Rakitic hasn't produced the 1/10 of what he has shown in Sevilla, lucho's tactics are to blame not the players.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Probably why he wanted Cuadrado as well. The guy would have been 10x more dangerous than Alves in this set-up. And Koke has played wide before too and got great stamina and is good defensively.
Bertus
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I do. And Kroos while being a better player is also fantastic on corners.
I know people like to belittle proven stars and said that less know players are better, but so far I see no possible comparison.
Kroos at Bayern was awesome and I said it here myself last summer while some people tried to belittle him.
I didn't have the time to watch every RM games so I had to rely on the debate I watched that did a deep analysis about his season debut.
And yeah, he's even better than he was at bayern, and yeah I see no problem in saying he's a more complete players than rakitic, and being a killer on set pieces.
Bertus
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Sumlit
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Crazy, especially since he was kind of cheap.
I'm very disappointed right now
Only right now? You saved yourself a couple of years of disappointments then....
Bertus
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Disappointed that barca didn't sign Kroos ofcOnly right now? You saved yourself a couple of years of disappointments then....
It's like being unbelievable to me. And even more if it was to sign Rakitic instead. Dunno who had that great idea, if it was Lucho or the board, but heads need to roll, really.
Alarcón
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There is a big difference between rejecting Kroos and not actively pushing for him. Yes, he has the final word, but that doesn't mean that he rejected Kroos. Lucho wanted and pushed for Koke as he knew him from La Liga, just like Rakitic. When that transfer didn't materialise, Zubi could have suggested Kroos as an alternative. If he had, there is no way in hell Lucho would have rejected him. What you're essentially blaming Lucho for is not explicitly requesting Kroos. As I've said, the coach is not omnipotent; he can't know every player and he can hardly push for someone he hasn't watched a lot. There are a few players that Lucho wanted and our board should have had viable alternatives in case one of those transfers wouldn't happen, but they didn't. You could blame Lucho if he had rejected Kroos, but not if he didn't push for him. It's not his job to know every player in and out, but Zubi's.
Can you give me a quote for that? I'm almost 100% sure they said they were already in negotiations last year, and Lucho said they suggested signing Suárez to him and he accepted that suggestion.
That's ludicrous and that "babysitting" argument, for me, is just an excuse for bad positional play by the midfielders. If Lucho's game plan was based on midfielders "babysitting" full backs then why did he play Iniesta-Xavi against RM?
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Flavia
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You're just ignoring the fact that Kroos was offered to Barça, and was rejected. I'll search the Bartomeu quote, and post here when I found it.
The babysitting arguments isn't ludicrous. Are you watching the games? Because that's what Rakitic's been doing. Playing wide, covering for Alves all the time. And Iniesta to Alba. There's a void in the central midfield, also a reason why Busquets is being subpar, as he has a lot more ground to cover now.
The rm game was a mess from start to finish. Lucho was afraid the same that happened against psg would happen again. But his solution to prevent that was thinking we're back in 2010.
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instinct
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“He was a very exciting signing for us. He wanted to come to Barça even though he’d received better offers than our own … We started working on his transfer at the start of the year. The staff felt the team needed an out-and-out striker. And Luis Enrique gave his blessing to the idea.”
http://www.totalbarca.com/2014/news/bartomeu-we-have-every-faith-in-luis-enrique/#ixzz3Ing3cvsm
http://www.totalbarca.com/2014/news/bartomeu-we-have-every-faith-in-luis-enrique/#ixzz3Ing3cvsm
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