Luis Enrique

[serghei]

ehm...?

Ehm what?

 

[instinct]

Ehm what?

You want to tell me that Tata Martino who invented the ''Cross the ball'' tactic is better than Luis Enrique and a few moments later you bash Lucho for insane amount of crosses we made. There is no sense in this logic.

 

[serghei]

You want to tell me that Tata Martino who invented the ''Cross the ball'' tactic is better than Luis Enrique and a few moments later you bash Lucho for insane amount of crosses we made. There is no sense in this logic.

I didn't tell you anything. The results, so far, are. And I didn't say Tata Martino was perfect or anything.

 

[Leo_Messi]

First of all I am a passionate fan. Results like this one are always difficult to cope with for any committed fan this shortly after a defeat.
If I was not passionate I would not be a socio or be debating here and on a leading Spanish FCB forum. I invest far too much time in a otherwise limited time schedule on FCB and football in general to not care.

You just have to win games like that one at home. Especially as the team already lost at home once against a team of Celta's caliber. With all due respect to them and Málaga, but if you want to win the league title, you HAVE to win against teams of this standard when playing at home.

This was a very important game for several reasons. This was an opportunity that had to be seized given the team's momentum, the game against City being just around the corner and the team having a chance to top the league for the first time in months. Neither of those was taken and I was also disappointed by the reaction of the team overall. I expected a much greater reaction when Málaga went in front. Looking at the game today it looked like Málaga were playing for the top spot and not FCB.

RM are yet to play this round but it feels like a smaller version of the defeat at Anoeta.

I still have faith that the team will be able to win the league this season but not as big as yesterday.

Having said all this then I hope that this defeat will not shake the team too much. Unfortunately I could see this happening. This is not Pep's Barca after all.

 

[JamDav1982]

I didn't tell you anything. The results, so far, are. And I didn't say Tata Martino was perfect or anything.

You are all over the place.

How can you give Lucho no credit for players being motivated in the last eleven games yet moment they look lacklustre you blame him.

You reinvent the rules every post to suit your arguments.

 

[JamDav1982]

First of all I am a passionate fan. Results like this one are always difficult to cope with for any committed fan this shortly after a defeat.
If I was not passionate I would not be a socio or be debating here and on a leading Spanish FCB forum. I invest far too much time in a otherwise limited time schedule on FCB and football in general to not care.

You just have to win games like that one at home. Especially as the team already lost at home once against a team of Celta's caliber. With all due respect to them and Málaga, but if you want to win the league title, you HAVE to win against teams of this standard when playing at home.

This was a very important game for several reasons. This was an opportunity that had to be seized given the team's momentum, the game against City being just around the corner and the team having a chance to top the league for the first time in months. Neither of those was taken and I was also disappointed by the reaction of the team overall. I expected a much greater reaction when Málaga went in front. Looking at the game today it looked like Málaga were playing for the top spot and not FCB.

RM are yet to play this round but it feels like a smaller version of the defeat at Anoeta.

I still have faith that the team will be able to win the league this season but not as big as yesterday.

Having said all this then I hope that this defeat will not shake the team too much. Unfortunately I could see this happening. This is not Pep's Barca after all.

How many times do you want to repeat you are a 'passionate fan'?

What is the inference of that? That the rest of us are not.?

 

[KingMessi]

How many times do you want to repeat you are a 'passionate fan'?

What is the inference of that? That the rest of us are not.?

People were criticizing him for "giving up" on the team and "not being a real fan" in another thread. He congratulated RM for the League title in the Real Madrid thread.

It's dumb IMO. A loss like this, where we expected to win, will always hurt, especially immediately afterwards.

 

[serghei]

You are all over the place.

How can you give Lucho no credit for players being motivated in the last eleven games yet moment they look lacklustre you blame him.

You reinvent the rules every post to suit your arguments.

Simple. The players are supposed to be motivated. You don't give credit for it the same way you don't give credit for something it is supposed to happen on a normal basis.

You reinvent the rules every post to suit your arguments.

No, I really don't.

 

[KingMessi]

I didn't tell you anything. The results, so far, are. And I didn't say Tata Martino was perfect or anything.

Hasn't Lucho gotten more points than Tata did up to this point? Thought I saw something along those lines. Or was it his W/D/L record was better or something.

 

[instinct]

I didn't tell you anything. The results, so far, are. And I didn't say Tata Martino was perfect or anything.

Which results? The 1-0 loss in Bilbao? The 0-0 in Osasuna? The 2-3 vs Valencia? Or the loss vs Sociedad. I don't take the losses vs Valladoid and Granada into consideration because they happened in March and April and we're in February now.

You said it's a fact that Martino was better than Lucho. With Martino we wouldn't be in the Copa semi finals now which is maybe the only competition we could win this season. Our games vs Atletico were terrible and you know it.
Tata Martino was a real mastermind when it comes to motivating players, the same thing you bash Lucho for. We could've won the league and advanced to the CL semis but we rather lost vs Atleti and drew vs Elche, Getafe and Atleti. He clearly motivated the players enough to win the two titles.

Now let's stop talking about results on focus soley on the football. We had some bad matches this season, everybody knows that but our matches in 2015 alone were far more enjoyable than what Tata's team played. I remember the glorious matches vs Betis, Espanyol (both), Levante and Malaga. Did you enjoy these matches? I certainly didn't.

But for me the most important reason why Lucho is better than Tata is that he finally tried to do something fresh, something which Tata could have only dreamt of. Of course we played some direct football vs the lower teams but he didn't have enough authority to keep it which is the ultimate failure as a coach.

The goal should not always be winning titles. It's about improving the team further and further, something which Martino didn't do. He left Barcelona in a complete mess, nobody even enjoyed watching the team anymore, even if they were winning but after a 1-0 vs Malaga every game where we finally saw something new is completely forgotten.

One last thing: Tata Martino would've failed vs this Malaga side too. He proved his incompetence in many matches whereas Lucho tried to improve our team bit by bit and a loss vs a great Malaga side won't change that.

 

[serghei]

Hasn't Lucho gotten more points than Tata did up to this point? Thought I saw something along those lines. Or was it his W/D/L record was better or something.

Tata in february was first in the league, almost in the final of the Copa, and with 1 foot and a half in the CL quarters. Lucho's record is slightly worse.

 

[KingMessi]

Great post Instinct. This Tata-nostalgia should stop. The man was not a better coach, for Barca, than Enrique is.

 

[JamDav1982]

Simple. The players are supposed to be motivated. You don't give credit for it the same way you don't give credit for something it is supposed to happen on a normal basis.



No, I really don't.

Ok if players 'are supposed to be motivated' then why do you blame Lucho for today?

If you think manager plays no part then you cant blame Lucho.

This argument is worse than your last one by the way and makes no sense at all.

 

[KingMessi]

Tata in february was first in the league, almost in the final of the Copa, and with 1 foot and a half in the CL quarters. Lucho's record is slightly worse.

We have yet to play Man City, so I can't see how Lucho would have been able to get us "with 1 foot and a half in the CL quarters."

 

[instinct]

We have yet to play Man City, so I can't see how Lucho would have been able to get us "with 1 foot and a half in the CL quarters."

Plus, like I've said, would we've been in the Copa final (where we had no clue vs Real and were schooled throughout the whole game), if we had drawn Atletico instead of Sociedad? I very much doubt it. It's just speculation though.