Luis Enrique

gatsu

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Lucho is not the problem but the one who chose to bring a coach who haven't proved anything before coming to Barca. He nearly destroyed la Roma and Celta got 100 time better after he left.

He always was a failure. And he brought nothing to Barca expect destroying our philosophy. After pep departure we needed a revolution, 6 years later we are still waiting. We got it all wrong from the beginning, to not play direct football was never an issue for Barca.
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
Keep calm and have faith. The life of a team is not all roses and sunshines. Barca has to grind out wins like any other team at times. Just get out of the Pep fairytale and live in the reality of today. That reality states that Valdes is gone, Abidal is gone, Puyol is gone, Xavi is gone, Alves is gone, Iniesta is next soon. That team is done and that perfect way of playing is done. Any attempt to imitate it with poor material will end up in massive failure. I'd rather face those issues and accept them, than live in La La Land and think a golden generation can be prolonged for more than 4-5 years. It can't be done.

I know the Messi fans theorem that Messi alone dictates everything. It's not true. Messi was a wheel in a machine. He can't do it alone, and never could.

I appreciate today's hard fought qualification more than any routine win vs Osasuna or Granada.

This roster we have is also good enough to play much better football than this shit! Enough with lame excuses all of the time. Lucho has lost it and that is the only reason. Not Xavi, or Alves or Saint Mary!!! You are talking all of the time like we have Valencia roster. This is absurd! FFS we have team which is worth millions and we can't control shit.

99% of world's greatest teams would fight for Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Iniesta, Busquets, Rakitic, Pique, Alba, Masche and even Arda, Mats or Umtit so stop already. We have a great team with good depth but we also have a manager who is lost in time and space.
 
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Mido

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It's fully understandable to complain about Barca losing their playing culture but it started the day Rakitic ( who played well in his first season) and maybe, to a lesser extent Suarez established themselves in Barca's 11.

Enrique is doing what he is supposed to do with the resources he has. And he is doing a great job. There is no time for this luxury problems at the moment. We entered the " deep waters" of the season and there is no turning back. Either you play with Iniesta-Busquets-Rakitic/Gomes and should expect an artistic performance or you play with subs and find alternative tactical solutions.

Blaming only Lucho is being a bit insolent in my opinion.

I am satisfied with his performances, end of.
 
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FlaFCB

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Sure, Barca played good football last season as well. So did this season at times. The style is different though. And it is different in key aspects.

Alves can't be replaced, no more than Xavi can. Both are among the best players in the history of the sport in their position.

Of course they can be replaced. Not by a player of the same quality, but with similar characteristics. It's not like there weren't players like that available along all those years. A bit dumb to claim otherwise. No rbs were signed, and bad fits for the midfield, like arda and gomes, were signed. Trying to picture this as a minor thing, when it's the reason for the poor play these days, is very disonest from you. We sold Thiago, snubbed Kroos, and then signed freaking arda and gomes to be our midfielders.

We have no positional play, no clear system, nothing. But no, it's not Licho's fault. It's probably Messi's :lol:
 

serghei

Senior Member
This roster we have is also good enough to play much better football than this shit! Enough with lame excuses all of the time. Lucho has lost it and that is the only reason. Not Xavi, or Alves or Saint Mary!!! You are talking all of the time like we have Valencia roster.

We are 1 point behind Madrid in La Liga (sure, chances aren't great, but, hell, win some, lose some, and we kind of won La Liga a lot lately), in the Copa final and in the CL with great chances to win. It is not the time to dramatize things.

We can play better than this and we will play better than this. Just be happy that playing badly didn't cost us. Team worked hard tonight, put in effort. I liked the Camp Nou as well, behind the team at all times.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
We are 1 point behind Madrid in La Liga (sure, chances aren't great, but, hell, win some, lose some, and we kind of won La Liga a lot lately), in the Copa final and in the CL with great chances to win. It is not the time to dramatize things.

We can play better than this and we will play better than this. Just be happy that playing badly didn't cost us. Team worked hard tonight, put in effort. I liked the Camp Nou as well, behind the team at all times.

:facepalm:
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
The only way this team will win something this season, and perhaps even win big, is through the sheer determination of the team and the winning mentality of it, or at least the one of some key players like Messi, Iniesta, Busquets.

Winning while playing this bad however is no recipe for future success or a solid base. You can have some bad games, but when you're playing bad for such a long time, it's obviously an issue somewhere else.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Of course they can be replaced. Not by a player of the same quality, but with similar characteristics. It's not like there weren't players like that available along all those years. A bit dumb to claim otherwise. No rbs were signed, and bad fits for the midfield, like arda and gomes, were signed. Trying to picture this as a minor thing, when it's the reason for the poor play these days, is very disonest from you. We sold Thiago, snub Kroos, and then signed freaking arda and gomes to be our midfielders.

Similar characteristics? Like Oliver Torres, the new Xavi we need to sign? Or Aleix Vidal, the new Alves. Or Montoya, who was (good god, that looks funny now) 'better than Alves'? The man who's ankle was broken by Sergio Canales?

What happened during Pep made us, as fans, predisposed to overrating players simply by looking at their style, outside of their quality. We see someone who reminds us a bit of Xavi, and think he is the next Xavi, without looking at anything else but style. And, the same, we trash players who can be of good use, because their qualities are different.

1 point... with 2 more matches played

So? We had 10+ points and lost the league almost.
 

dakt

Active member
We are 1 point behind Madrid in La Liga (sure, chances aren't great, but, hell, win some, lose some, and we kind of won La Liga a lot lately), in the Copa final and in the CL with great chances to win. It is not the time to dramatize things.

We can play better than this and we will play better than this. Just be happy that playing badly didn't cost us. Team worked hard tonight, put in effort. I liked the Camp Nou as well, behind the team at all times.

You got to understand...we should have lost today and got out of Copa. RM has 2 games less (remember this is RM which also isn't in great form). The midfield is in mess. I mean, we cannot make transition to attack even against weaker teams...it's pathetic.
I know Barca golden ages are gone, but that doesn't mean we should embarrass ourselves by displaying pathetic football WITH THE GOAT still on the boat. No excuses. We are Big name club, we have money, we have players, we MUST do better.

MUST! I'm not afraid for RM, they will never fall deep, they just can't...but Barca could end up on on lower branches if we don't pull the strings just right. We are not Real Barcelona....especially these days when market is much larger and prices are skyrocketing.
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
The moment when you realize you hated football of Inter or Chelsea for so long and we played this type of football today. :facepalm:
 

serghei

Senior Member
You got to understand...we should have lost today and got out of Copa. RM has 2 games less (remember this is RM which also isn't in great form). The midfield is in mess. I mean, we cannot make transition to attack even against weaker teams...it's pathetic.
I know Barca golden ages are gone, but that doesn't mean we should embarrass ourselves by displaying pathetic football WITH THE GOAT still on the boat. No excuses. We are Big name club, we have money, we have players, we MUST do better.

MUST! I'm not afraid for RM, they will never fall deep, they just can't...but Barca could end up on on lower branches if we don't pull the strings just right. We are not Real Barcelona....especially these days when market is much larger and prices are skyrocketing.

So? We should have won the clasico, and a bunch of other games we were robbed in. That would have put us 1st in La Liga. This is football, when you do not have the quality to be extremely dominant, things escape your control more often. We have to deal with that.

Oh, god, we are not unbeatable anymore. Time to work harder then.
 

wisconsincule

Senior Member
We need a rw who stays on the wing. If that means play a double pivot and have Messi roam so be it. Vidal can play rw and cover for Messi not playing defense but anytime the ball comes to our rb there's only the right mid and no one else to link up with. Killing the attack.
 

dakt

Active member
So? We should have won the clasico, and a bunch of other games we were robbed in. That would have put us 1st in La Liga. This is football, when you do not have the quality to be extremely dominant, things escape your control more often. We have to deal with that.

Oh, god, we are not unbeatable anymore. Time to work harder then.

Why we should have won clasico? If I remember correctly, Suarez made a foul before scoring with a header.
 

serghei

Senior Member
The only way this team will win something this season, and perhaps even win big, is through the sheer determination of the team and the winning mentality of it, or at least the one of some key players like Messi, Iniesta, Busquets.

Winning while playing this bad however is no recipe for future success or a solid base. You can have some bad games, but when you're playing bad for such a long time, it's obviously an issue somewhere else.

Not only determination. Quality is still present in abundance. What is lacking is consistency this season and what is upseting the fans is a sense that the team is slowly changing it's style, which was to be expected imo, and something everybody needed to understand that it was inevitable.
 

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