Luis Suárez

[ASordidGod]

I saw lot of posters complaining . If that's the popular opinion then i am better of leaving . If anyone posts anything that are against popular opinion they will get slaughtered . Even in this thread everything started when a random member mentioned me and started calling names like 'Valverde fan boy '. Seriously just because he is our manager , i am backing him and defending him as i do have the patience to wait and see what he is trying to implement after first season . For that i am getting targeted . what are these people expecting ? I love this club to the core and will support and defend anyone whom i feel are getting unwanted criticism .

what was the Purpose of mentioning me in this thread ? . And you we're saying that i am making my myself look worst .

Only reason why you are getting such an impression is because my English comprehension and communication skills are not as good as other posters , not because other members who initiates fights and name calling are better posters in terms of quality

You've got over 2000 posts, you obviously enjoy posting, so it would be a real shame if you let a few people on here drive you away. That being said, we all have to take responsibility for our own actions. I don't mean to lecture, or make snap judgements, but from what I've observed you're not exactly shy about resorting to personal attacks/abuse yourself. My advice, for what it's worth, would be to stay, say what you want to say, and if someone disagrees in a respectful way great, you can argue your case; if they insult you ignore them. Maybe I'm just a coward, I don't know, but it's easy enough to avoid aggressive arguments if you really want to, at least online. In addition, and maybe this is naive on my part, but I believe you can go against the consensus here and not get insulted, it just depends on how you go about it.

For example Coutinho, everyone was raving over his first few performances but I didn't think so and said so, I even said I think Isco is a better player (I still believe that btw), people disagreed, as is their right, but no-one insulted me. Of course that may change now, ha ha, we'll see. Anyway the point isn't to big myself up, merely to show that it's possible to have a debate on here without resorting to insults. That's all I've got to say, anyway, I really hope you don't feel too patronised, that wasn't my intention; genuinely, I hope you decide to stay; maybe just sleep on it. Ps - Valverde is a pussy/coward/fraud.

 

[God Serena]

For example, a huge majority of posters here have exactly the same opinion about all these topics:
1. Pep is the best
2. Frenkie is the next savior
3. We should give more chances to La Masia kids
4. Dembele is the next big thing surely
5. Arthur will be awesome
6. Rakitic is not good enough
7. Semedo is better than Roberto
8. Suarez needs to be benched

I'm done responding to RMU since he pulled the victim card out of nowhere and the conversation got completely derailed (I get called out all the time by numerous members myself, it's not that big a deal imo), but I'd like to see if I have the same opinions you think everyone here shares, just for fun.

1.) Pep is the best manager we've had since at least 2006 when I started watching and that's by any metric you can even attempt to measure it by. Saying Tito, Tata, Lucho, or Valverde even come close to him is a total joke.
2.) Frenkie is very promising but if he comes he's not any more likely to be a star than any other incoming signing with potential.
3.) Why don't we? We bring in so many players who prove to be complete trash and are gone within 2-3 seasons after failing to impress but the average La Masia kid doesn't get a sniff of the first team because they're "Not good enough", which while probably true in most cases, is most certainly not all cases.
4.) Dembele is playing great.
5.) Jury is still out on Arthur but he looks very promising. Granted, under Valverde he's not likely to get many minutes, but from what I've seen so far I'm optimistic. Certainly more optimistic than I was for Yerry Mina.
6.) Rakitic is good enough, but that's about it, really.
7.) Semedo is better than Roberto in the same way Yaya Toure was better than Busquets.
8.) Suarez desperately needs to be benched and judging by some of his latest comments even he is starting to realize this.

Do I fit into this category you've created? I'm not sure...

 

[xXKonan]

That's the whole thing about being a sports fan in general. Even if you're the same fan of the team the fanbase will always be split on stuff.

The Roberto vs Semedo thing will never be a 100% consensus. It's always been a 50/50 thing, with people thinking Bob is the right answer while the other thinks Semedo is the right option. Hell I mean it's going to be like that even if we get another RB as well.

I disagree with BBZ's post on the last page about hype or so. Nothing really wrong with being optimistic about the likes of Arthur,FDJ,Puig etc as long as it doesn't spiral into madness. Guess that's the whole point of a forum you will always have a different views on stuff.

I will admit after matches I get infuriated quite a bit if we aren't play well and it leads me to post some aggressive posts which I would later eventually delete after I cool down a bit.

 

[Devils]

Nike should sign EV.

"Believe in your football, even if it means destroying Barcaforum"

Just do it.

 

[George_Costanza]

RMU ReBorn is just having a mental breakdown. Stop being a pussy. I don't mean to be rude or to be mean at all, we have all been in your situation. First things first...try to cool down, and whatever you do, do not kill yourself!

 

[Devils]

So... that guy Suarez looked pretty decent last game.

 

[soul24rage]

hope he can repeat last year's season performance in the anoeta

 

[Andrew M]

So... that guy Suarez looked pretty decent last game.

Don't upset the Suarez haters

 

[BusiTheKing]

Don't upset the Suarez haters

Since this thread seems to have struck the note of how we should generally conduct ourselves in discussions, I'd like to stress how annoying little comments like these are in general. If you think that people are expounding unsubstantiated criticisms, then address why they're wrong. Dismissing any criticism as narrative posting or "hate" makes you look dumb and arrogant.

This comment is fairly innocent, I know, but these little things are how big arguments get started and they contribute to an overall antagonistic debate.

 

[henias]

I never understood the logic behind criticism=hate =wrong, yet these "social justice warriors" hardly every provide any substance for their arguments and just pick out a few extreme minorities and generalise them as the majority behaviour as "haters".

That's how they drive their arguments and feel so cocky about themselves like they are some kind of saint elitists when they themselves can be equally biased about other topics/players as well.

At least throw in some proper arguments, so yall dont look like a complete idiots. I try to refrain from getting into arguments or posting too much, especially with some people like RMU, Andrew or Trickykid often leading the lines about their "me vs the rest" mentality, which can really get dumb as hell if you look at the threads these days.

 

[Judoman]

I never understood the logic behind criticism=hate =wrong, yet these "social justice warriors" hardly every provide any substance for their arguments and just pick out a few extreme minorities and generalise them as the majority behaviour as "haters".
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It s simple. Criticism is more than ok, if it s constructed. The hate begins with using adjectives/names such as pussy, fat, coward, idiot or ignoring facts/using double standards. These things are
rather common here no?

This comment is fairly innocent, I know, but these little things are how big arguments get started and they contribute to an overall antagonistic debate.

[MENTION=15361]BusiTheKing[/MENTION] explained it well.

 

[Joan]

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[henias]

It s simple. Criticism is more than ok, if it s constructed. The hate begins with using adjectives/names such as pussy, fat, coward, idiot or ignoring facts/using double standards. These things are
rather common here no?





[MENTION=15361]BusiTheKing[/MENTION] explained it well.

Yes, but if you are keep taking those petty little details into consideration then it doesnt help the big arguments or the bigger picture and can often spiral into a morally driven arguments with each other, which is just plain idiotic and pointless.

I'm not condoning people who call players names pussy, fat, but it doesnt mean the majority and therefore ALL people who are constructively criticising Suarez, are wrong in doing so. There will always be idiots but it doesnt mean the large majority hatred fuelled critics. Most of them should be a few isolated cases.

But in any case, my main point is that this so called "hating agenda" doesnt make some of the criticisms wrong and shouldnt be brought in to the big arguments just to prove a point.

Pretty sure all players has some real haters. Suarez is one of my favourite players, criticising doesnt classify me as a hater.

 

[RivaldoBarca]

but... but... he is fat?

 

[Judoman]

Yes, but if you are keep taking those petty little details into consideration then it doesnt help the big arguments or the bigger picture and can often spiral into a morally driven arguments with each other, which is just plain idiotic and pointless.

I'm not condoning people who call players names pussy, fat, but it doesnt mean the majority and therefore ALL people who are constructively criticising Suarez, are wrong in doing so. There will always be idiots but it doesnt mean the large majority hatred fuelled critics. Most of them should be a few isolated cases.

But in any case, my main point is that this so called "hating agenda" doesnt make some of the criticisms wrong and shouldnt be brought in to the big arguments just to prove a point.

Pretty sure all players has some real haters. Suarez is one of my favourite players, criticising doesnt classify me as a hater.

Personaly, i m not bothered by "those petty little details". I m more bothered by ignorance of facts, double standards and the level of persistance some individuals go to voice their unrealistic opinion.
Like that guy who had "fraud" labeled over Rakitic face for a half of last season.

As a whole, the amount of moaning and complaining on these forums is way out of proporcion with results and reality. We lost 2(!!) games last season, after disastrous summer, but Valverde was and is crucified on a daily basis.

Ironicaly, the real culprits (managment) for our downgrade in recent years are analysed and criticised much less than they should be.