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Malcom
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You're picking and choosing. There is no way our management would sell any massive investment after one season unless a crazy offer comes along. A player with sky high wages also is much more likely to actually get to play.
Also, if you're bad or average after 2 seasons, the age doesnt matter. Its not like we kept Ibra, Hleb, Arda, Alex Song etc for 4 seasons just because they were older. Sometimes a player is also kept because the player refuses to leave/take a paycut at another club.
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Garrus
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So about 5 pages and 60 comments down, And it seems, No one gave a straight answer to a simple question i asked, “What is exactly wrong with the current system/formation and how malcom’s traits can alleviate them”, I made the assumption that people wouldn’t periodically be pouring their outrage on this thread everytime Malcom fails to get minutes, Unless they already clearly explored the previous questions and their answers in their heads before hand, Am I right?
But just in case what I asked was too broad or too difficult, I’ll replace it with a much simpler one, That is straight to the point:
In our current 4-3-3 formation, Where is Malcom supposed to slot, And how he’s supposed to get minutes in said slot?
It should be an easy peasy question to answer, For anyone who expected and wanted malcom to play, Any number of minutes (Which is a lot of people in this forum), So i am expecting an avalanche of answers.
And for a quick recap for those who weren’t paying attention before:
1-In the 4-3-3 formation, That right side is messi’s, Which happens to be malcom’s preferred side, And we don’t expect him to bench the king, right?
2-Malcom’s only realistic option to play is on the left, Which means he has to compete with dembele, However the fact malcom is playing on the opposite side of his preferred position, Already makes him a handicapped player, And at best, A sub for dembele, Only for things to get worse, Once anyone remembers, That even if we wanted to play someone other than dembele on the left, We already have one of the worlds best LW, And that is coutinho, How is a handicapped Malcom is supposed to get ahead of him in the picking order?, So by now, Malcom is just a third choice pick of only a measly single position he can realistically occupy.
3- Dembele-Messi-Malcom ,front line, Means we’re back to the false nine crap, Which if anyone still hasn’t received the memo, Barca has moved on from this, The entire football world has moved on.
4- Benching Suarez and letting malcom do his roles, Makes no sense, They’re nothing alike as players, Suarez spends a large majority of the games performing a 9# type of duties, Like occupying the opponents CBs and giving space to Messi, making central runs and pushing the opponents back line, And Suarez does these roles excellentely, Malcom doesn’t have any of these 9# traits, He’s a natural winger, Most Barca fans got pissed because malcom had to play as a left winger instead of s right, I wonder what their reaction will be when they see a natural wing like malcom, Trying To pin the two CBs in the center.
And while most in Barca-verse and including here, Were enjoying the role of being ‘captain obvious’.
“Why stupid valverde playing malcom on left?”,
Ernesto already saw this problem immediately after we signed him, Because he knew he’ll be playing 4-3-3 this season, And straight away started playing malcom on the left, And actually gave him chances to demonstrate what he can offer there, And the expected happened, Malcom was fine there, But certainly won’t be a real competition to dembele or coutinho in that left position.
My advice, Is to try and pour your frustration with malcom into our sporting department headed by abidal, A day or two after news came that malcom’s deal was almost done, I said his transfer seemed somewhat random (Any can go back and check what I said), And his current situation, Illustrates the defective, or one can say, The absent communication between the sporting department and the manager.
He could get more minutes if we switched to 4-2-3-1/4-4-2, Albiet he will still have to compete with dembele, However switching formations should happen because of the teams’s needs, Not because we want to see our new Brazilian toy playing.
But just in case what I asked was too broad or too difficult, I’ll replace it with a much simpler one, That is straight to the point:
In our current 4-3-3 formation, Where is Malcom supposed to slot, And how he’s supposed to get minutes in said slot?
It should be an easy peasy question to answer, For anyone who expected and wanted malcom to play, Any number of minutes (Which is a lot of people in this forum), So i am expecting an avalanche of answers.
And for a quick recap for those who weren’t paying attention before:
1-In the 4-3-3 formation, That right side is messi’s, Which happens to be malcom’s preferred side, And we don’t expect him to bench the king, right?
2-Malcom’s only realistic option to play is on the left, Which means he has to compete with dembele, However the fact malcom is playing on the opposite side of his preferred position, Already makes him a handicapped player, And at best, A sub for dembele, Only for things to get worse, Once anyone remembers, That even if we wanted to play someone other than dembele on the left, We already have one of the worlds best LW, And that is coutinho, How is a handicapped Malcom is supposed to get ahead of him in the picking order?, So by now, Malcom is just a third choice pick of only a measly single position he can realistically occupy.
3- Dembele-Messi-Malcom ,front line, Means we’re back to the false nine crap, Which if anyone still hasn’t received the memo, Barca has moved on from this, The entire football world has moved on.
4- Benching Suarez and letting malcom do his roles, Makes no sense, They’re nothing alike as players, Suarez spends a large majority of the games performing a 9# type of duties, Like occupying the opponents CBs and giving space to Messi, making central runs and pushing the opponents back line, And Suarez does these roles excellentely, Malcom doesn’t have any of these 9# traits, He’s a natural winger, Most Barca fans got pissed because malcom had to play as a left winger instead of s right, I wonder what their reaction will be when they see a natural wing like malcom, Trying To pin the two CBs in the center.
And while most in Barca-verse and including here, Were enjoying the role of being ‘captain obvious’.
“Why stupid valverde playing malcom on left?”,
Ernesto already saw this problem immediately after we signed him, Because he knew he’ll be playing 4-3-3 this season, And straight away started playing malcom on the left, And actually gave him chances to demonstrate what he can offer there, And the expected happened, Malcom was fine there, But certainly won’t be a real competition to dembele or coutinho in that left position.
My advice, Is to try and pour your frustration with malcom into our sporting department headed by abidal, A day or two after news came that malcom’s deal was almost done, I said his transfer seemed somewhat random (Any can go back and check what I said), And his current situation, Illustrates the defective, or one can say, The absent communication between the sporting department and the manager.
He could get more minutes if we switched to 4-2-3-1/4-4-2, Albiet he will still have to compete with dembele, However switching formations should happen because of the teams’s needs, Not because we want to see our new Brazilian toy playing.
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henias
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Lol no one is asking Malcom to be in the starting 11, alot of lineups can be tweaked and can be experimented along the season, but then again no one is demanding Malcom to be the strongest 11 side, just someone to bring in fresh legs and more flexibility.
If this is about formations and tactics, there's a thread for it. Not here.
If this is about formations and tactics, there's a thread for it. Not here.
[MENTION=12785]Garrus[/MENTION]. For me it is quite simple. First rotation option for the front trio of Messi, Suarez and Dembele. He should be developed into that role. He is basically the new Alexis Sanchez role, and defensively gives the most workrate of the whole forward line.
Garrus
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Putting aside the fact, That not a single time i mentioned anything about him being anywhere near a ‘starting 11’, I even distinctly mentioned that in the current system, He’s a third choice pick, Which is as far from a ‘starting 11’ anyone can possibly get, You seem to be arguing with yourself.
And you followed it, by “a lot of lineups can be tweaked and can be experimented along the season” which is a sentence I expect to be said from someone playing ‘Master league’ in PES, Not in real world professional football, And certainly not in the biggest club in the world, But even with that aside, It’s soo unbelievably vague, What are these experimental formations?, How should they be played?, When should they be played? And it was again, Followed by vague buzzwords like “flexibility” and “fresh legs”, With no explanation what they exactly mean, “Flexibility” of what?
Why is it this hard to be clear and specific, I certainly tried to be comprehensive and detailed in my post.
Your response, Reeks of someone who lightly skimmed what I wrote, Not someone who actually read it in full, Which begs the question, Why?, You realize there is no extra points for who replies the fastest ,right?
But that last sentence of yours, Takes the cake, I’ve seen a lot of creative ways people tried to dodge answering stuff on this forum, But this is the first time that an argument about how our teams playing system impacting the minutes of a player, Shouldn’t be discussed in his own thread, Because it has too much tactical stuff for your own personal taste, We’ll that’s level A kind of ‘stuck-up’ attitude buddy, And frankly, Pathetic.
By rotating for all of them, Malcom must have the technical ability to replicates messi’s and Suarez’s rules also, Well That would make malcom the ultimate joker player in the world, Almost priceless.
Are you sure it’s the same player we’re talking about?
[MENTION=12785]Garrus[/MENTION]
Yes I think he can play across the line to varying success. Most accustomed position at AMR. Less convincing AML but will carry the defensive attacking obligations better than Dembele, Messi, Suarez and Coutinho there.
Striker role in the Alexis Sanchez kind of role. Strong and can hold up the ball with pace and off the ball movement.
Basically there are 3 attacking slots and 4 options Dembele, Malcom, Suarez and Messi.
The only issue is that he has to convince with his first touch as with Bordeaux he started plays 10-20 metres further back in the pitch meaning he had more time to settle on the ball and that he received the ball facing opponents, not facing away. But the only way to overcome this is by playing.
Then there is Munir who is 5th option if we A) need a goal or B) are resting atleast 2 of the above so he gets his starting position.
Of course if Coutinho takes up an attacking position then he is above Malcom in the hierarchy.
Just my take. Malcom will get his chance and it could be out the blue, just as Aleix and Delofeu did. He won't be a Mina.
Just that at stage Munir can not be ahead of him, and I like Munir. Because if that is the case it makes better sense to keep Paco who is better, and invest in a different position.
Yes I think he can play across the line to varying success. Most accustomed position at AMR. Less convincing AML but will carry the defensive attacking obligations better than Dembele, Messi, Suarez and Coutinho there.
Striker role in the Alexis Sanchez kind of role. Strong and can hold up the ball with pace and off the ball movement.
Basically there are 3 attacking slots and 4 options Dembele, Malcom, Suarez and Messi.
The only issue is that he has to convince with his first touch as with Bordeaux he started plays 10-20 metres further back in the pitch meaning he had more time to settle on the ball and that he received the ball facing opponents, not facing away. But the only way to overcome this is by playing.
Then there is Munir who is 5th option if we A) need a goal or B) are resting atleast 2 of the above so he gets his starting position.
Of course if Coutinho takes up an attacking position then he is above Malcom in the hierarchy.
Just my take. Malcom will get his chance and it could be out the blue, just as Aleix and Delofeu did. He won't be a Mina.
Just that at stage Munir can not be ahead of him, and I like Munir. Because if that is the case it makes better sense to keep Paco who is better, and invest in a different position.
henias
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Well, everytime you are on here you are always on a rant about the users here and basically talk down on them without engaging in a proper discussion. Wanted to be nice but it's one too many times.
Call me pathetic all you want, it also shows how triggered you can be and the slightest of criticism will make you show your moral superiority.
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khaled_a_d
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You are rightfully providing a very strong argument, and I myself think that one of the main reasons we are in this situation is because Abidal seen a good oppurtunity in the market but didn't understand what EV wanted, on paper Willian & Malcom are RW but truth Willian can play RM and replaces Paulinho outcome in our midfield in 442, giving us more tactical option which Malcom doesn't unfortunately even though he might be better player on the long run.
That said, with the way Dembele playing I am starting to think Malcom should be given oppurtunity, last night he could have been a perfect sub for Coutinho while Dembele wasn't (both are speedster, but Dembele is turn over machine and doesn't defend)
atm Demebele shouldn't be sure fire starter, he need to fight for his spot as everyone else and it seem the "11th spot" is up for grabes again and players like Dembele,Arthur,Malcom,Vidal should be all tested for it during next couple for months
FCBfan22
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I think most of the positions in our team need some competition and everybody deserves a chance.
CB's: We should rotate more, but from what we have seen in the last weeks, Pique can shoot on his own goal and he will still start, unless he gets injured or carded.
Full backs: Alba, Roberto and Semedo should be rotated in the league, with pairings Alba-Semedo, Alba-Roberto and Roberto-Semedo. None of that Vermaelen bullshit.
CDM: Busi (tougher games), Rakitić (easier games).
CM's: Vidal-Arthur, Coutinho-Rakitić, Coutinho-Vidal
Forwards: There should be competition between everyone for the 2 forward positions (except Leo). Implementing different setups and finding the best one to play, when Leo is resting is crucial to us, but Valverde isn't doing that. Suarez, (Coutinho - mostly, he'll still play CM), Dembele, Malcom and Munir should all be competing for those positions constantly and when a tough game comes, Ernie should choose the starting ones based on performance and opponent's playstyle (which he can't read, as shown yesterday).
We have options, but Ernie isn't using them.
Barcelondoner
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I would like to see more of Malcolm. Ernie should put his feelings for the board aside and use all the players available to him. It's a long season.
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